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  1. Stuart Wolfe

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    I'll agree insofar as starting a "war" on drugs is somewhat inane, but on the other hand, complete decriminalization of all drugs and prostitution? It would be absolute bedlam.

    I do give props to Paul for at least being consistent within his worldview, I don't think I can find anything hypocritical about him at all ... and for a politician, that's pretty refreshing. But during a national election, they guy would be torn to bits.
     
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    You do get some congressmen.. Ron Paul for example.

    Anyway I wasn't on about the media.. I was on about Cameron, and the broader conservative party, most of which are CFI. They are currently in power.

    I will admit that it's a worse problem in the USA.

    And it's a good point because I forgot to remember about the banking lobby (is this what you mean by the London lobby as that's their financial hub/fraud capitol?)

    As for the media.. Bias is not as obvious. But the headlines and "top stories" phenomenon is roughly the same.. The recap of all the major stuff seldom mentions the major stories and just the usual distractions instead (the olympic games the biggest one of late where 99 perecent of airtime was devoted to it, or the murderer of the week or whatever have you).

    There's a bit of loaded wordplay all the same as well. e.g. "Massacres feared as Assad forces prepare to retake Allepo" or something like that. While it's technically true, it's clearly misleading because it makes people think the Assad forces are behind such massacres.. the Russian RT as I recall slanted it the other way, like "Assad forces attempt to liberate Allepo from rebel stranglehold" which while still being slanted language, is still closer to true.

    Whether that's the same powers that be behind that one as the Israeli lobbyists, I don't know it would only be speculation.
     
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    The republicrat party already rigged the system to make it so that no other party could have a chance, and they stacked the deck.

    Ron Paul has legal hurdles to jump through that the Republicrats don't. That's democracy for ya!
     
  4. Stuart Wolfe

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    We're only there to see if Prince Harry is nude again, so we can nick the royal clothes and make a fortune on eBay!
     
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    You don't need a trip to the UK for that! On Ebay you can sell any clothes as "the royal clothes".
     
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    not much to worry about . . [video=youtube;TNlFgr9BoPM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNlFgr9BoPM[/video]
     
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    You're barking up the wrong tree, Jack. The "Jews" you're so worried about are a symptom of the greater disease of global corporate oligarchy and monopoly capitalism/corporate socialism. It's a layer of control. A layer to keep the sheep from ever realizing who their masters really are. The US and Israeli governments don't act independently. They answer to a greater control structure, one that exists beyond the scope of the sheep, who are fooled into believing they are free as long as the state has the monopolization of violent force to use to protect their freedoms...while their hands are in all of our pockets.
     
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    What it amounts to is really a global crime syndicate of epic proportions, with the v worse, and I mean EVIL people, at the top of the pyramid.

    The US is reminding me of a sort of communist Russia, less rights, more civil liberties taken away, less and less accountablity by the state, more laws, more and more depts and levels, and all the cogs to keep you in control.

    The number of people that probably benefit most from this, could seriously be less than a few thousand.

    Naturally, you will then get those further down, that are thrown some peanuts for being obedient chimps, yes there is that too.

    Obviously, major media and financial corps have turned American into a simple war machine, for their own finanical and political furtherment.

    There are a disproprtionate number of Zionist Jews, who own or who represent them, that's not hard to figure out, your media is such a Zio-joke, that you get 100% better media about Israel, in Israel.

    You think you have free press?

    Look, you can go on tv, mainstream, in the US.

    You can say the most shocking things, about anyone at all, you can even say things that are totally unacceptable, in terms of manners, to public figures.

    You can hate on each other, Muslim hate is very vogue, yup, you can criticise anything, anyone, and be vulgar with it.

    You will never hear criticism of ......Israel, the Zionist state.


    SILENCE.

    Only postive news, over and over..

    Why?

    Like I said.

    They are a criminal mafia, a global one in practice, and there is no question that it may well use the tools of corporations as means to shape things, but they shape it mainly for one thing....Zionist propaganda.

    That's it, that is what it comes down to, and that is why before, you maybe saw that footage of about 5000 non Zionist Jews outside the White House, something which barely made it into your media, if at all.

    What are they protesting?

    The same things, broadly speaking, as me, and the rest of the international community.
     
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    My friend ....... its only name calling if it isn't true!
    Fascist, Torture, degenerates, Historically the worst, in hades, most importantly "Keich", Its not my fault you cannot see what's in front of your eyes!
    Being Scottish is my duty to point out the fallacies of the Talmud AIPAC owned senators and Zionist Media deceit and out right lies, the horrific degenerate behavior of the parasites of your military...against unarmed men women and children! Even Americans!

    Thats not name calling ... its honesty..... whether you like it or not!

    Have a nice day!

    Regards
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    My friend ....... its only name calling if it isn't true!
    Fascist, Torture, degenerates, Historically the worst, in hades, most importantly "Keich", Its not my fault you cannot see what's in front of your eyes!
    Being Scottish is my duty to point out the fallacies of the Talmud AIPAC owned senators and Zionist Media deceit and out right lies, the horrific degenerate behavior of the parasites of your military...against unarmed men women and children! Even Americans!

    Thats not name calling ... its honesty..... whether you like it or not!

    But unlike you I'll not defend those that belong behind bars!

    Have a nice day!

    Regards
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    You must remember, at times they are like a congregation of devoted believers, to one level or another.

    They believe in....Israel aka Zionism.

    Not saying the specific member, but at large, with them.

    They have been trained this way, for at least one whole generation, therefore, if something is battered in, over and over, in so many ways, in all of your culture, over and over...you get this weird situation in which israel and zionism itself, to all those in America, is as a religion or a god would be.

    Note that in many religions, to even write the word god is a big big thing, or to take his(sic) name in vain, and to disbelieve used to, and is in some cases, deadly!

    Knowing it or not, probably not conciously, that is precisely what they have turned Zionist Jews into, gods.

    Not individually, as a collective.

    gods who live in israel.

    And so, like the above, to say or write the word Jew, has now been afforded almost god like status, by these sheep.

    If you use it at all, it must always be in a postive way, such as 'Hey that guy is a great actor, he's Jewish btw', that would be fine, indeed, that is encouraged.

    Because 'proper homage' is being paid to the very word.

    Now, if you were to state that while the World, via Holywood, tended to associate Italians with organised crime, then yes, heads would nod.

    That's what we have been led to believe, yes, there was Siciian Cosa Nostra, but while it's ethnicity is never far away, from any film, or book, what about if one were to tell you, that for all of that fable, in America, perhaps the most organised, brutal and ruthless of all were Jewish gangsters?

    Now you see, things start to change.

    It may or may not bothered Italians to have that association, but the last thing the Zion machine wants are the words 'Jew' and gangster, placed side by side.

    So, we have a total reinvent of history, in which Italian gangsters are usually associated with the America of past years.

    And overstate of that, and a total understate of Jewish gangsters.

    Or even no mention that they were Jewish at all, must they be mentioned.

    'Promised land for organized crime?'

    Leaked document reveals US ambassador's concern over Israeli crime families' growing foothold in his country. Embassy 'using every available tool to limit organized crime travel to the United States, but such efforts are not always successful,' he writes in cable to State Department, FBI

    Americans concerned by growing organized crime in Israel in past few years: In a cable sent from the US Embassy in Tel Aviv to the State Department in Washington and the FBI, American Ambassador James Cunningham showed impressive knowledge in the Israeli crime world and expressed his concern over its impact in the United States.

    WikiLeaks: Full Ynetnews coverage

    In a document from May 2009 titled "Israel a promised land for organized crime?" Cunningham wrote that "Organized crime (OC) has longstanding roots in Israel, but in recent years there has been a sharp increase in the reach and impact of OC networks."

    He mentioned the assassination of crime boss Yaakov Alperon, "only about a mile away from the embassy," and the killing of a 31-year-old Israeli woman by a stray bullet on the Bat Yam beach during a failed assassination attempt on a noted crime figure, noting that Israeli crime groups "have demonstrated their ability and willingness to engage in violent attacks on each other with little regard for innocent bystanders."

    According to Cunningham, the Israel Police and the courts "have engaged in a vigorous campaign against organized crime leaders… but they remain unable to cope with the full scope of the problem."

    He noted that many of the Israeli crime families' operatives hold foreign passports, "allowing them to move freely in European countries, most of which participate in the visa waiver program with the United States." He admitted that the embassy's attempts to prevent criminals from reaching the US are not always successful.

    "Five or six crime families have traditionally dominated OC in Israel," Cunningham wrote, although the names and makeup of these syndicates have fluctuated in recent years. The Abergil, Abutbul, Alperon, and Rosenstein organizations are among the most well known, but recent arrests and assassinations have created a power vacuum at the top.

    "New names such as Mulner, Shirazi, Cohen and Domrani have moved quickly to fill the gap. Other up-and-coming groups include the Harari, Ohana, and Kdoshim families. There are also a number of rival families active in the underworld of Israel's Arab sector."

    Abutbul's visa
    The American ambassador admitted that "it is not entirely clear to what extent OC elements have penetrated the Israeli establishment and corrupted public officials."

    He mentioned the arrest of former Minister Gonen Segev for trying to smuggle thousands of ecstasy pills into Israel, adding that the election of Inbal Gavrieli – a daughter of a suspected crime boss - to the Knesset in 2003 as a member of Likud "raised concerns about OC influence in the party's Central Committee."

    Naturally, Cunningham is mostly concerned about the influence of Israeli organized crime on the US. "Given the volume of travel and trade between the United States and Israel, it is not surprising that Israeli OC has also gained a foothold in America," he wrote.

    He noted that the embassy was "using every available tool to limit OC travel to the United States, but such efforts are not always successful."

    One of the figures mentioned by the ambassador was Adam Abutbul, son of crime-family head Charlie Abutbul, who received a tourist visa to the US in June 2008. Several months later, the embassy received information from the Los Angeles Police Department that "he had traveled to the United States to carry out a hit and returned to Israel prematurely for his father's funeral." It should be noted that Charlie Abutbul did not die, but survived an assassination attempt in September 2008.

    "It is fair to assume that many known OC figures hold valid tourist visas to the United States and travel freely," Cunningham wrote, adding that the embassy "has developed an extensive database and placed lookouts for OC figures and their foot soldiers." He did not elaborate.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3992938,00.html

    And here (original) http://wikileaks.org/cable/2009/05/09TELAVIV1098.html

    It was estimated that out of 3700 or so cables, 2700 related to israel.

    Only around 2% have ever been published.
     
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    And what is the reason?

    When you threaten to attack a land, then you expect what?
     
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    Good post!
     
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    What structure are you talking about?

    Why does this structure care so much about Israel, and why does this structure hate the Goyim?
     
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    To say that the United States is behind horrible atrocities, do things in the name of corrupted interests, at the go ahead of corrupted politicians, using their military to brutalize the world etc. you would be more or less true and that's not a personal attack.

    When you say that all American people agree with this, and are too cowardly to try to stop it and are happy to go along with it while fully supporting it, then it's not only a personal attack, it's also flatly false.
     
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    No. It is nothing more than name calling, and calling you out on it touched a nerve with you.

    If you want to discuss things without resorting to pejoratives with every fifth word, yeah, that's acceptable. But you're simply using what America as done as a vessel to curse it. You're not really discussing the issues, you're just engaging in one-sided insults, and you don't seem to know the difference between the two. And it's not my fault that you cannot see the difference between debate and invective. It's too tiring listening to constant haranguing from you.
     
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    All Americans certainly do not support Zionism, not at all.

    There is significant support for it, but that is all within the body politic, via many many mechanisms.

    And there is support for it among Americans, and forget all the Brand Israel stuff about that being due to it being the 'only democracy in the region', or some other invented crap that people give, it is entirely about shillery, corruption at every single level, right the way through, if you cut America open, it would be like a stick of Blackpool rock, except it would have Zionism all the way through it.

    Because the entire media, and there is no use anyone denying this, is so pro Zionist, it is more pro Zionist than IN the Zionist state, and due to this being reinforced, over and over and over, by those 'in authority', there has been at least a whole generation marinated in a totally false view of what the state really is, and it's negative impact on AMERICA...

    Hence no matter what anyone shows them, they are programmed to automatically think and respond, in the way that they have seen in the media, over and over.

    25yrs or so of that later, they end of sounding like this...

    [video=youtube;u9FfXIHNVL8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9FfXIHNVL8[/video]
     
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    What the hell is blackpool rock? Is that the crack you smoke before you get on the ferris wheel?
     
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    Yup. Every lobby group in the whole of Washington would work feverishly to stop a guy like Ron Paul from getting elected because what he would do is stop all the government spending on said PACS, special interest groups, etc, and yes, AIPAC is one such group. They would panic, no doubt, but they would not be alone. The Military Industrial complex would be another that would hit the panic button, too. they LUV war and the $amount we spend on it.
     
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    I don't disagree with you about the media. The corporate media is a propaganda machine. It's sole purpose is to keep the masses divided and distracted with a meaningless soap opera that is the puppet governments , sensationalized everything to drive consumption , and monopolize the message being sent to the public. It is a tool in the control structure of the ruling oligarchy. Just as the puppet governments are a tool through the monopolization of force. Just as central banking is a tool through the monopolization of of money and credit. It's all just a game of maintaining power and control.

    That all gets missed when you start off trying to pin it on Jews. Sure there are Jew that are members of the elite. Just like there are Protestant Wasps and Italian Catholics, etc. that are. The fascist Zionist regime is just another tool. It's a symptom of the disease of global corporate oligarchy.
     
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    [video=youtube;MWBzUuo9_eo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWBzUuo9_eo[/video]


    It doesn't matter what you show them, they think they can vote their way out!!!
     
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    Just a little food for thought.....
    Always stick to principle even if you see something bad coming out of it.

    The best example I can give is in the Lincoln/Douglas debates, the Republican/abolitionist v. the Democrat side of things on slavery, Lincoln simply felt that setting the slaves free was the only right thing to do, PERIOD. It is in our constitution that "All men are created equal".

    Douglas took the pragmatic approach. He said there would be enormous problems if you set the salves free, and some of the things he cited was the imminent death that would come to former slaves as they had no means of support, no way to get health care, etc etc. In other words he was a lot like modern-day Democrats with their Nanny government at all costs.

    Libertarians do take the Constitution seriously. Yes, you are free to have sex, yes you are free to go to work, why can't you combine the two - work for sex? you look at the implications of it all and just say no to human rights.

    Just some food for thought
     
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    Highlander, you appear to be pretty well attuned to politics/media in America. more so than most Americans

    well done
     
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