US study lays bare extreme pay-ratio problem

The preamble wasn't written by "the people", it was written by a small group of men who are all dead.

 

"We the people" who have a desire to dominate their fellow man.

 

A "cult" which:
- Never orders anyone about
- Has no leaders
- Promises nothing to followers.
- Followers can't agree on much of anythin
- Where there are libertarian forums, they never silence ideas or discussion



Tell us, what does libertarianism have in common with a cult? I can't find anything. I think you just can't defend, with logic and objectivity, your own deeply held beliefs in government authority.

 

The sort of pathetic, whiny response I'd expect from someone whose deeply held quasi-religious belief in state authority is questioned.

 

There was this period of time when certain French socialists adopted the term "libertarian" to describe their particular view of socialism. That strand pretty much died out, except amongst wanna-be academics who are angry that Rothbard co-opted the term for his own movement and that term has taken hold and is used by millions.

Basically, it's pathetic whining about a relatively dead use of a term. I wonder if he looks in the dictionary for other ancient uses of terms and chastises people for their modern and different usage. It may also be more commonly used as he uses it in Europe, and, again, it's exceedingly pathetic to demand that Americans, on a forum mostly for Americans, conform to his European usage. It's at the level of trolling, at that point. But, then Reiver has always been a troll for the most part.

 

A history lesson for @Reiver courtesy of Murray Rothbard:

Taken from "For a New Liberty", Second ed. Chapter 1, pages 16-17

 

Come on @TedintheShed. Everyone knows that wasn't 'real' socialism.

 

In which case the onus is entirely on YOU to explain this imaginary "government entity" that seems to exist only amongst the paranoid alt right.

 

The abject FAILURE of the libertarian utopia that was established under the Articles of Confederation was an OBJECT LESSON as to why there is NOT a single functioning libertarian nation anywhere in the world.

If the libertarian utopian concept is so wonderful why has no other nation ever wasted their time on it? Why is it rejected as UNWORKABLE? Why did the libertarian Koch brothers tax plan FAIL so completely and utterly in Kansas that even Republicans voted to repeal it?

You can spout all the puerile ad homs you want but the REALITY is that ADULTS know that libertarianism is a childlike delusion that does not work in real life.

 

As opposed to the alt right who do a great imitation of being brain dead?

 

There is more than one definition of the term cult.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/cult

So yes, libertarianism is a cult because it is a venerated obsession of a philosophical principle that has no foundation in reality whatsoever. It does promise a utopia that can never exist in reality either but devoted followers still believe that it can. Their "promised land" depends entirely upon some mythical beliefs on how society might function if no one was greedy or careless or just didn't give a crap about anyone else.

 

You're still ranting? Lets try and get you on 'content track'. Why aren't you aware of any economic history? Is it because it's terribly inconvenient for your slavish devotion to ideology fed by rich pressure group?

 

Huh?

 

Except it wasn't a failure at all. Those who claimed it was a failure were just spouting anti-democratic propaganda.

America was founded on libertarian principles, so clearly your assertion is incorrect.

In any case, there was a time when virtually every nation on earth was ruled by a monarch. Does that prove that monarchy was a better form of government than representative democracy?

Libertarianism is based on the principles that gave rise to the enlightenment. All the wealth and prosperity and freedom you enjoy can be attributed entirely to libertarian ideology. You really ought to be more grateful.

 

Is this your way of admitting that the preamble was not written by the abstraction known as "the people" but by a small group of aristocrats who are all dead?

 

And no credible economics. Pricing theory? We'd need to refer to the post Keynesians. Theory of the firm? We'd need to refer to resource based economics (and an understanding of how market concentration occurs). Labour markets? Anything but Austrian economics.

 

Libertarianism is a political theory, not an economic theory.

 

Curious that such a "knowledgeable" person doesn't understand this.

It's almost as if people talk out of their arse...

 

Sounds like statism.

 

It's amazing that a follower of the religion of statism would level the charge of "cultist" to libertarians, the same liberyarian that over the last 300 years replaced the Divine Right of Kings with the concepts of natural rights that is.mentioned in the DOI.

As ever, people are afraid of change even if it is for their betterment.

 

Some people are afraid to give up their domination of their fellow man. It's a power thing.

 

As ever, man will continue to evolve. Great strides have been made since the 70's in this area as the freedom movement is the fastest growing political movement today.

 

Yet there are retrogrades who want to turn back the clock to a better time. A time of might makes right.

 

This made me laugh. You've essentially admitted, on an economics sub forum, that you have no economics to your argument.

 

Thus spake another true believer in the libertarian utopia cult.