US to provide cluster munitions to Ukraine.

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  1. Bob Newhart

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    Has Ukraine asked for them?
     
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    What do you mean by "win strategically"? It sounds like a lot of coping.
     
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    Because RuZZfascista was massively bankrolled by US/UK....many RuZZki military figures openly admitted back in the day that if US didn't supply lend lease....Mafiosi was done.
     
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    You don't know either. Spare me the hysterical propaganda. Western news corporations owned in interlocking directorate by the same investment firms that own the companies that sell cluster bombs are no more trustworthy in reporting facts about the war than state owned Russian media is.

    Do you still believe the Iraqi army was actually 'stealing incubators from newborns', too? Just in case you do: How PR Sold the War in the Persian Gulf | PR Watch
     
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    No clue. If they did ask for nerve gas, weaponized ebola and nukes, would you support sending them some?
     
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    Why is it that Anti-U.S. propagandists can only come up with the incubator story which is far more nuanced than they realize.

    Are you really trying to convince people that Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was a good thing?



    First, I do know what has happened. Forum rules prevent me from posting pictures for you. The russian battle plans include the murder of undesirables. The internment centers are well known. We also have historic Russian behavior and current russian bombing of civilians. What you are trying to claim doesn't exist? Is Bucha a fantasy for you as well? Are you really denying the mass deportations?

    Are you a holocaust denier as well?

    Regardless, you're trying to use the possible accidental death of a few civilians to justify stopping a people from defending themselves.

    Using your logic, all guns should be banned in the U.S.
     
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    This is a hypothetical and irrelevant. The Ebola weapon is a complete fantasy used in sci-fi flicks. Should we ban Varon-T disrupters?
     
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    ...no I was thinking more of engaging the Death Fleets of the Lord Commander Tarka Dhal from the Vindaloovian Empire...their planet melting death rays are sommat to see...

    What a stunning argument....nukes, nerve gas and ebola....jeezuz f**king Christ on a bike....is that seriously the best you can come up with.....
     
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    I bet that stings...lol.

    Of course Russia was ****ed without Lend-Lease, but they also had millions of troops that be used like fodder.
     
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    How many more examples would change your mind? What 'nuance' did I miss about the claim of 'Iraqi soldiers taking incubators from hospitals and killing the children' being broadcast non-stop as a strategy to garner support for war against Iraq, but never having actually happened?

    At no point did I suggest invasion was ever a good thing. Now you're making things up to demonize your opponents. Did you learn that from weapons manufacturers or our govt, or does it just come naturally, or what?

    Forum rules prevent you from posting 'Russian battle plans'? That seems unlikely... I'd be interested in seeing how their authenticity has been verified. One person's 'internment center' is another's 'refugee camp' depending mostly on which side of the conflict they're viewing it from, especially in the 'fog of war'. No war has ever been prosecuted without bombing civilians. By that logic, the US should be presumed to be operating 'internment camps' as well ...or would you suggest that we don't bomb civilians? In any event, so has Ukraine ...their own civilians, in fact. Its why war is hell.

    No, because I don't get my information about the holocaust from Nazi sympathizers. Just like I don't get my information about the war in Ukraine from any source that stands to benefit by lying about it.

    'A few'... how many would be too many?

    No gun has ever exploded because someone tripped over it years after the war was over. Your analogies are terrible.
     
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    Yet. Are you suggesting its impossible?
    Ebola Bomb: Possible, But Not So Easy to Make | Live Science

    Anyway, nerve gas and nukes arent hypothetical. But keep trying to dodge...
     
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    Never forget that Biden was the Democrat Party's attempt in 2020 to keep a pacifist/socialist Bernie Sanders off the Democratic ticket. Does anyone think a President Bernie Sanders would be gifting cluster bomb artillery shells to Ukraine like Biden is doing today?
     
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    I notice you didn't even attempt to answer the question. It sounds like you think its an easy one...
     
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    You don't know the difference between strategic and tactical?

    The Russians losing their will to make war and leaving Ukraine would be a tactical victory.

    A strategic victory means Ukraine would come out of the war in better shape than before the war and that just ain't gonna happen.
     
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    To get revenge on Russia for "Russia collusion"? I think he would.
     
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    Maybe so, but Bernie would never have allowed his strings to be pulled by the MIC like Joe "the Big Guy" Biden has.
     
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    oh how sweet....you a wee bit miffed coz I ain't biting your bollox?
    Pro tip....when you figure out the nature of the systems, their function and utilisations you are wittering on about and their equivalency in the intended tactical situations and conditions of use that cluster munition inhabits then we'll talk....oh and if you'd mentioned napalm then I'd have perked up because there is a scintilla of an argument to be had there.

    Ah but mate....nukes, nerve gas and ebola...seriously...look I get that your Russian mates have bolloxed up and sure...I get it that you're miffed that we're on day 500 of the 10 day special operation so its a little bit embarrassing....but hey...nukes, nerve gas and ebola...seriously at least take the time to think before you speak....toodles
     
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    Why would it sting?

    Millions of pairs of legs are rather useless without hardware and proper training.
     
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    The Russians fought the Germans in battles where there was one rifle two Russian soldiers.

    They sent troops into battle with no training at all, much less proper training.

    I remember when the Leftists used to love and admire the Russians and would brag about how awesome they are...lol
     
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    Change my mind about what?
    Well, that's verifiably false.
    You might not realize it, but, yes, you did. A better example to have used was to point out the lack of discovered WMDs in Iraq which would suggest the invasion in Iraq was a bad thing.
    You're projecting.
    Well since you were projecting, which one is it? Did you learn it from Russia, a weapons manufacturer, or does it just come naturally?
    I said this "Forum rules prevent me from posting pictures for you." As for battle plans, I thought you knew how to Google. I'll give you the website.

    https://ria.ru/20220403/ukraina-1781469605.html
    War must be brand new to you, so I will explain. Fleeing of civilians happens before and during a battle - not after it. The forced displacement of civilians after the battle is what many NAZIs were put to death for.
    Unfortunately, you do. Your posts are filled with Russian propaganda.
    Those who are in the right do not benefit from lying. Those who are wrong do. Your posts side with Russia. Do you consider them to be in the right?
    That's up to the Ukrainians to decide.
    Children die all the time when they find old guns. I start a competition for you. You give me a list of all people who accidentally got killed by a United States cluster bomb and I'll give you a list three times longer of names of people who accidentally got killed by by a gun.
     
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    A wordy deflection is still just a deflection.

    ...or you could try to explain what you think the difference is.
     
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    That list is going to be short because we havn't been handing them out like candy.

    Apparently we're keen on making that list a lot longer now.
     
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    Yep, definitely coping.

    Ukraine will come out better than if they had let Russia conquer them which was their other option.
     
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    Right now the list doesn't have a single name on it.
     
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