Uvalde shooting investigation focuses on police response

You do know that this thread is directly contradicting your earlier one about the futility of arming teachers right? Lol

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/how-to-ban-guns-without-firing-a-single-shot.600040/

 

So because something happened that's how you know you could have stopped it? Why didn't you? Are you sure you did all you could to save as many lives as you can?

How do you know when you did all you could? No deaths happen? Like uh, I don't know, a final solution?

Or do you just keep going until there's no other way to regulate the behavior of other people?

 

I'm not reading through one of your threads
You can either answer the question or run
What law against a manufacture will stop gun violence

 

LOL you have laws about illegals pouring guns across the border yet you don't support closing the borders nor enforcing.

 

Yes!!!!!

 

Can you think of any private uses of firearms that are beneficial to this objective: saving as many lives as we can?

 

Why didn't you?

 

You appear to be under the inaccurate impression that I could care less. Just so you know, for future reference, the only reason I even responded to your question was because I had the link saved to my clipboard after I sent it as reference to a serious poster.

 

What an idiotic and uninformed comment. Not only does Mexico NOT manufacture guns... it would be asinine to bring guns from Mexico given how cheap and readily available the ones manufactured here are.

Urgent: Read my sig!

 

Yeah, you always use the serious poster claim when you run from your own post.
No surprise there.
If you can't support your post, I suggest not making them.

So for the 3rd time, What law against a manufacture will stop gun violence

 

No.

 

Assuming this is a serious question (and I wouldn't bother responding if I knew that it wasn't).... I would have no idea what you are talking about.

 

That's how I know you're not serious about saving as many lives as possible.

You want to regulate a system that is far more complex than you can even imagine. You think you have a responsibility to do something about a system you can't objectively observe, let alone measure and analyze. I asked you what the goal post was. You said your objective is to save as many lives as you can. What does that mean? How many lives is that? All of them? Some percentage of them? If you prevent a death, how do you know you prevented it? If a new death was caused by your regulation, how do you know it was your fault? You're playing games with systems and you can never be held responsible for any of your mistakes. They can't even be attributed to you. That's the definition of a failing strategy. You have no clue how the system will respond to your changes.

I can think of lots of legitimate uses of firearms for personal defense. All of our leaders can think of those exact same reasons as it pertains to their own safety.

I foster children, some of which came from gang affiliated drug addicted parents. It's my job to protect them, both medically, and physically from the environments they were being abused in. A firearm is an important tool in that training.

1 in 3 woman are victims of domestic violence. A firearm can be an important tool in a woman's escape from an abusive relationship. How many woman will remain trapped in abusive relationships if they cannot choose the best tool for self defense as part of their exit strategy?

How many gas station attendants weren't stabbed to death last night because they had a firearm under the counter?
How many homeowners weren't burnt to death like Dr Petit's family because they prevented a home invasion with a firearm?
How many joggers weren't raped yesterday because they carried out their own defense?
It's impossible to quantify.

But you're will to change those outcomes because your feelz, and you're not going to stop until some unknowable standard has been met.

 

I know, but that doesn't stop you from wanting to be in control the situation. And that's the problem.

 

None of the things you listed are a factor.

You cannot even explain why it is you think they are, they are just cool buzzwords that you like to throw out because you are scared to death and believe a gun protects you.

 

Do you believe guns can't be used to protect people? Should the military switch to something else? Pillows maybe?

 

I don't think all guns should be banned.

I do believe that some types of firearms should not be sold to the public, and i do not believe that body armor should be available to the public.

I don't think any of the mass shooters got too many trophies as kids, i doubt most of them ever got a single trophy.

 

But you do think that people who own guns are scared? Sort of like the police that were to afraid to enter the school? Or afraid like the parents that were prevented gun entering the school?

 

Also, what types shouldn't be sold?

 

Is there any that you would agree with?

So why are you pretending to want a discussion?

 

I don't think everyone who owns guns is afraid. I own guns.

I think that people who believe that they own guns for their own protection are scared though.

yes, the police were scared, because the shooter had body armor and a high powered rifle. If he had been armed with a shotgun and no body armor, i think the police would have went in and killed him pretty quickly.

 

Sorry dude. Don't take it personally. But I just can't bring myself to take seriously any poster who would claim that teachers groom children for pedophiles, just to defend a homophobe you would likely be condemning it he were a Democrat.

I just feel like your mind is wired to defend partisan ideology first, and do away with common sense, logic or moral principles. So it would be a complete waste of time seeing that we have absolutely NO point of reference in common.

 

I don't know. I can't read your mind and know which you think shouldn't be sold. That's why I asked. It's also evidence that I'm trying to have a discussion. Soo...

 

yeah, thousands of times a month someone with a gun stops a crime. usually by not shooting a criminal. I have stopped three crimes-at least with guns-once the guy trying to breaking into our home fled, the second time I detained someone trying to break into my apartment of the police and the last time by shooting a mugger who already was on probation and went to jail mainly for violating probation