Veterans dying because of treatment delays at VA hospitals

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  1. TRFjr

    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Department of Veterans Affairs has linked the recent deaths of at least 19 vets diagnosed with cancer in 2010 and 2011 to appointment backlogs and delays at VA hospitals and clinics and resulting hindrances in care, according to an internal document.

    Specifically, those 19 deceased veterans are reportedly part of a larger group of 82 vets who have either died, are now dying or have sustained serious health consequences from the VA’s failure to conduct medical screenings like colonoscopies and endoscopies in a timely, or prompt, fashion.

    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/...eatment-delays-at-va-hospitals-document-says/

    and you liberals want government run health care?
    the VA is government run health care

    If the government cant or wont take care of the ones who deserve it the most do you think they will give a dam about you?
     
  2. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Wow, I wonder if the backlog is caused by too many vets or too few medical employees. Well, now that people have died they MUST fix it. I just wish people didn't have to die first.

    They should have done something! No one should wait for a colonoscopy... There's many medical facilities across the country who could handle the backlog if they were allowed to do so.
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lucky for us all, the same (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s are now in charge of ALL OF OUR MEDICAL CARE.

    How could anything go wrong?
     
  4. birddog

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    It's Obama's fault !
     
  5. Professor Peabody

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    45.5 days to see your family Physician? WOW! If one called today for an appointment, they'd hear...."We can squeeze you in April 17th, is that OK?" Now to be fair, long wait times would likely be the norm in Massachewsetts as they adopted a form of Obama Care back in 2006. But now the inexorable march to longer and longer wait times begins for the rest of us, that's IF you can find a doctor in your new Obama Care network actually accepting new patients. I feel for the vets, they deserve the best care.
     
  6. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    This is a problem that transcends party lines and has been going on since the 1960's.

    Funding for the VA has been cut or its budget has not been increased because Congress does not see a need to increase government funding. Both sides have done this with the GOP being the latest to do so.
     
  7. OverDrive

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    Just heard that 40 more Vets died in Phx while waiting for their ppw to go thru!

    Dont understand it..I got out at the height of the Viet Nam war, with many more fatalities and injuries (altho PTSD wasnt 'officially' diagnosed as such, but we had Agent Orange), and I was told just prior to processing out to claim any svce connected injuries. Mine wasnt too bad (broken ankle in 3 places with 2 screws in place) but wanted the VA to remove the screws after 1 yr in place and so documented. Within 30-40 days after processing out, I started receiving disability checks (10%) which surprised me as I wasnt expecting a disability pension, just wanted the screws removed!!

    So what's the hold up today?!! An non-empathetic VA Admin bolstered by an antagonistic to the military Obama Admin?!
     
  8. SourD

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    The VA is regarded as one of the best HC systems in the country according to Leftists! LMAO!
     
  9. OverDrive

    OverDrive Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dont know about Phx, but this 'rightie' has gotten class A treatment for the past 15 yrs at the Tucson VA....it's like a college campus..but gets overloaded when the snow birds come down and schedule their yearly's during the winter!


    Orig buildings, which now cover 1 sq mile..
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    I was just speaking with a Vet a few weeks ago who was lavishing praise on the care he received at a VA hospital.

    Regardless though- there is no excuse for Vets not receiving timely treatments at VA hospitals- this must be addressed.
     
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    YOU mean the stats that many of us knew full well in 05, 06, 07, 08 and brought up constantly that BUSH AND CO. did NOT factor into the price of war and FLATLY IGNORED??? And NOW people are finally paying attention--UNDER THE BLACK GUY'S WATCH?? I am very well acquainted with the VA system. It was broken in the early 80's when my father aged into the system, it was broken in the early 90's when my best friend's brother died of CANCER from Agent Orange. It was broken when we started that SORRYA-- war in Iraq. And I knew as soon as those kids were being blown up by IEDS that the VA system would NOT be able to handle it! AND NO ONE TALKED ABOUT IT!!
     
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    No, it's just a typically run government operation with no accountability and lacking work ethics.
     
  13. logical1

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    The VA is big government health care. Then there are the damned fools that think obamacare is going to be great.

    Ask the indians on the reservations what they think of big government.
     
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    There's your government managed health care in action....have a nice death!
     
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    Here is what I would do come up with a table with all kinds of injuries sustainable in war and place a flat value on each lose a leg below the knee for say $250,000, head trauma moderate $500,000 and add it up then give that to the vet. Then say use that for your care and you can get into an exchange plan for vets run by one of these chosen companies. If your severely wounded you could get a few million cash and if not a more modest some. Then wash your hands of them since the nation met its obligations with a fat payment and a healthcare plan.
     
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    You're right, but just wait until Obamacare is in full swing. If you think things are bad for Vets, just think about it when we're all in the same boat.
     
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    I wonder if ObamaCare includes the old "40 acres and a mule" deal?
     
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    Acute long term illnesses
     
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    That sounds an awful lot like "pre-existing conditions" to me. Which is the main selling point of ObamaCare. So why doesn't that apply to us veterans?
     
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    Vets can carry extra health insurance if they choose too.
     
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    All the kowtowing and feigned respect to veterans by Obama, GOP and the whole of USA society is a total sham. They are all hoping veterans will quietly slip away by suicide and dying from lack of medical treatment.
     
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    Veterans become unpopular to a country following wars as being liabilities & reminders of the ugliness of war (esp during peace times following unpopular wars). Viet Nam was an unpopular war and most of America has now written off Afghanistan, the once 'just' war!

    When the youth come back from svce today, having given up limbs and peace of mind (PTSD) they are prone to suicide believing that they have wasted their youth and patriotic idealism.

    Note: Casualties---"Approx 58,000 in Vietnam. 100,000 or more to suicide and most of those occurred after the men came home." http://rense.com/general77/hdtage.htm

    Having grown up following WWII and seen the plethora of WWII movies where the US was always the good guys, few Hollywood movies these days end up with that conclusion.

    And so Vets will continue to fade away having been judged as once 'necessary evils' by a complacent civilian population who preach 'peace thru capitulation' (no matter what the cause) rather than 'peace thru strength' and a strong, robust military....
     
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    There is a video of Obama in 2008 making another broken promise.

    This time it was him vowing to take care of vets.

    The vets in the background believed the lie and applauded.

    But it was just a broken campaign promise.
     
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    USA policy is premised on the belief that there is nothing more peaceful than a dead man. That includes foreigners and US veterans.

    USA politicians and society are embarrassed by veterans with missing limbs and mental health problems. If these embarrassments won't stay out of sight politicians and society wishes them dead. Often the veterans oblige.
     
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    Of course for libs in the white house there are budget priorities.

    And Obama would rather take his family on expensive vacations than put the money into veterans treatment.
     

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