Vexing Circumstances

No one wants to set off a nuclear war (of course), very few want American ground forces fighting in Ukraine, not many want American warplanes flying in direct combat with Russian forces in airspace that cannot help but include over some parts of Russian territory. Very, very many Americans are outraged at scenes of civilians being slaughtered at the behest of a tyrannical Russian madman. So what do we do? How far do we go? Arm the Ukrainians as much as possible? At what point do we run out of Ukrainian men to arm? How many civilians killed attempting to flee do we see scrolling across the screen do we see before we cannot morally countenance any more? Very few simple answers present themselves.

 

I don't think we can or that we will do anything meaningful to help Ukraine. Our own people were already well on the way to being impoverished, that's why we can't help. Our current leaders are not going to sacrifice the votes that will be lost by impoverishing us more; that's why we won't. Just my opinion. We will, however, do a lot of virtue signaling and other little things that will make no difference whatsoever.

 

Our actions are taking a toll on Russia. And, I don't see any indication that we're going to stop that. Do you know what the ruble is worth today? 3/4 of 1 cent!

The main block we have in helping Ukraine directly is that it would be a major blunder to get into a war with Russia, and various forms of support are or could legitimately be considered acts of war.

 

Yep. He's already trying to float that idea. Whatever set him off is only in his crazy brain. He has no intentions of NOT starting a war and, sadly, he has no qualms about taking his own people down with the ship.

 

Putin wants to set off WWIII. He has no intentions of negotiating with anybody.

@Bridget is right. We sit here and pretend to care and don't do anything. People are complaining about gas prices and Ukrainians are being slaughtered for no reason other than Putin is a lunatic. Russian mothers are being arrested for protesting because they just learned there was a "war" when their sons were killed on what they were all told were "training missions".

We're selfish. People were losing their minds pushing and shoving in the grocery store during the lockdowns. Others won't wear masks just because of their freedom. "Sense of community" and "united" don't mean anything here. It's beyond pathetic.

P.S. Can you please use your "enter" key?

 

I don't recall that.

 

OK. Why did I need that pressing piece of information?

 

To know your baseless claim doesn't pass unnoticed.

 

So, in your world, because you have not experienced something, it means that nobody else on the planet has? Typical for your ilk.

Good to know your <censoring myself> doesn't pass unnoticed.

 

You realize you failed to provided any support to your claim, right?

 

Another thing to worry about...some of these millions of Ukrainian refugees will end up in the U.S. (wait and see) and they are going to hate our guts for not saving them. And, worse than that, their children will hate our guts and be the next wave of terrorists a few years down the road. They won't know or care about the intricacies of this war, just that they had homes and fathers and then they didn't and we didn't help.

 

Yes. When there populations get displaced some will come here. That will be true for those displaced by climate change and other factors, too.

I don't believe they're going to hate us. They weren't part of NATO or other organization sworn to save them. They know the USA is not going to make war directly against Russia. They are aware that the USA is both pressuring Russia and aiding Ukraine.

Today, the ruble was worth 3/4 of 1 cent. It takes 4 rubles to buy 3 pennies!!!

 

And if America is not committed to protecting the Ukraine, then handing them all these weapons when they had no chance of victory is just pointless and will prolong the war with unnecessary lives lost and more infrastructure destroyed.

America already has an example in the last 10 years of a war that was for nothing, in Syria.

 

By now we all should know that the first casualty of war is the truth!!
Just go back a couple of steps in history and you will see how well the Americans have lied and cheated. That is part of keeping themselves afloat as the world's ruling empire.
Yesterday, while doing nothing in particular besides cruising around on the Internet, I stumbled on a very revealing article from "The Guardian", a British newspaper, as far as I know. The title caught my eye and interest...

Welcome to Ukraine, the most corrupt nation in Europe.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/04/welcome-to-the-most-corrupt-nation-in-europe-ukraine

Read it before it gets banned!

 

We have already decided. The U.S. will not engage in military action in Ukraine. We will if a NATO member is attacked. No need to second guess it.

 

Circumstances could change that. That's why the Pentagon was displeased at Poland's surprise yesterday.

 

At least the white house is good at announcing what it will not do. The curious thing to me is that Putin is announcing what he will do.

 

Ok, so provide proof of some kind.

 

You state the situation very well.

 

Who's going to fight in this war with Russia? America is still reeling from +20 years of continual war/occupation and the people they demonize in society are the actual fighters. Why should we get involved in a conflict when it doesn't involve American lives? If we cared so much about such conflicts why are we still giving arms to Saudi Arabia who are bombing the Yemenis? What about the genocide in China? No one cares about these conflicts because their TV doesn't make them care. I don't see sanctions on the Saudis or China for their aggression/genocidal actions.

 

AbsaByGodLutely

So far, the doesn't appear to be a problem, and many Europeans are running to Ukraine to join the fight.

When you say "we" are you talking about the United States, the World Community or you and the mouse in your pocket? The United States, under President Biden's leadership is doing all it can to help Unkraine fight back, we (the USA), we (the World Community), we (you and the mouse in your pocket) can't control the carnage, but WE can and are doing our best, updating that best everyday and keeping Ukraine in our thoughts and prayers hoping that Putin will come to his senses.

That's not true, as proven by all that IS being done.

 

Biden let us get to this point. His policies have put us in the spot we are now. The biggest thing is when he telegraphed to Russia that we would just stand by, not do anything, and let a bunch of radical Islamic terrorists take over Afghanistan. That showed Putin that if we wouldn't stand up for democracy in Afghanistan we would just let a superpower like Russia annex yet another country and we wouldn't do anything about it. The bottom line is, again, we would never have had to make the decisions we are making now if we hadn't signaled to Putin ahead of time that he could do it and get away with it. Your questions should have all been irrelevant because these events should have never happened in the first place where we have to make these decisions now.

 

You don't need to be worried about how much America is willing to watch. You need to be worried about how much the Eastern European block of NATO is willing to watch.

Warsaw is about the same distance from Kyiv as Houston is from Topeka Kansas, and they desperately want a Ukrainian victory. They will not sit on the sidelines forever. At that point we'll find out if NATO is going to splinter. Or if it is war.

 

Last time I checked it's the Ukrainians that are in a spot and President Biden and other world leaders, corporations and even individuals are doing ALL that they/WE can to help.

 

Ummmmmmmmm, did you not even read my post? None of us should be having to do these things at all if Biden hadn't given Putin the keys to Ukraine on a silver platter. Ukraine would have never been invaded in the first place.