Video shows poll workers pulling out suitcases of ballots | Georgia election hearing | NTD

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  1. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    4 people still working on ballots after everyone was told that they would no longer be counting ballots and everyone, including observers, left. Each machine does 3k ballots per hour, they are recorded working for an extra 2 hours unobserved pulling suitcases of ballots out from under tables.

    Can anyone explain this?
     
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    nobodyspecific Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Note that you can see them remove the lid from the "suitcase" in front of the desk to the furthest left where they are counting (see 9:28-9:40). I'm not going to re-write my entire discussion of this since I'm sure there will be more threads created on the subject, but you can see my thoughts on post #183 of a separate thread discussing this same thing here.

    Although I will provide the full video for anyone who has an extra 7 hours they'd like to expend:

     
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    Republican poll workers in a Republican state stuffing ballot boxes. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
     
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    Asherah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All anyone can do is speculate, so I'll guess...poor administrative organization and inconsistent communications. While I absolutely believe the poll watching rules should be followed, the mere fact that they screwed up obviously doesn't imply fraud. If it's not too
     
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    Asherah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It turns out the only thing going on that was wrong, was jumping to conclusions from watching a brief bit of video:

    Georgia election officials show frame-by-frame what really happened in Fulton surveillance video:

    State election investigators have already spent hours analyzing the video showing what Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani said was suitcases being pulled from under a table.

    They were, in fact, official, sealed ballot containers.

    “We can show exactly when they were placed in there,” lead investigator Frances Watson said. "

    Watson said they weren’t mystery ballots that came from a mystery location.

    Video taken hours before shows the table being brought into the room at 8:22 a.m. Nothing was underneath the table then.

    At 10 p.m., with the room full of people, including official monitors and the media, video shows ballots that had already been opened but not counted placed in the boxes, sealed up and stored under the table.

    The reason? Employees thought they were done for the night.

    “They were closing things up and getting ready to leave,” Watson said.
     
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    nobodyspecific Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks for the share. Pretty much the same conclusion the PolitiFact report came to. Specifically, see quotes by Sterling:

    When looking at the video last night, I thought the phone call might have been important. But given I couldn't tell for certain, decided not to mention it.
     
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    Asherah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And yet the Trump-cult will just move to the next "smoking gun".
     
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    Personally I cannot tell anything from the videos. However, once poll watchers leave that room, it should be locked and secured with zero activity until everyone enters at the same time the next day.
     
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    I haven't heard this was illegal (is it?), but what do you think should happen in any case? They've counted the votes three times now (original, and 2 recounts). Do you think a 4th in Fulton county will change the results?

    *edit* According to factcheck, it's not illegal:

    While state law allows for observers to watch the vote counting, Sterling said, it was not illegal for the vote counting to resume when the observers left. He said his office was working on making the video footage from the arena public so that voters could see the footage with more context.
     
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    nobodyspecific Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So question to you then. Say poll watchers decided to leave early. Maybe they come in at 8:00am and leave at 9:00am. Should the station be required to cease operations? What if poll watchers decide not to return? I know that's now what actually happened here, but I'm trying to get at the heart of how much control you think poll watchers should be able to have over the ability for ballots to be counted.
     
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    Yes. All activity should stop.
     
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    I think it's pretty much self explanatory and by itself does not speak for the whole election but it is a smoking gun and cannot be ignored. Georgia is on it's way to the Trump column and the impetus of a large scale investigation into Arizona, Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. As I said before large scams usually collapse under their own weight there were too many people to keep a lid on it. I think they'll be a slew of new injunctive motions to postpone the electoral vote until there is a definitive answer on whether or not this was a legitimate election. This is still America and the president and the voters have a right to know.This may yet end up in the SCOTUS.
     
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    Following that logic, one party could negate the votes of any location they wish to by simply not sending any observers. If the rules worked that way, why would the Republicans even send observers to blue areas? Why would Democrats send observers to rural areas? Being able to shut down ballot counting by simply not showing up gives so much power to the observers that they alone would control who wins an election by simply preventing votes from being able to be counted.
     
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    If, if, if,. Doing it without observers is inviting fraud. If the republicans refused to send observers, then I am fairly confident any judge in the country would tell them to go head and count.
     
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    So instead of having common sense rules such as observers are allowed to be present, but voting will continue even if they choose not to show up, you would instead logjam the courts with tens of thousands of lawsuits demanding that counting continue. How many polling locations do you think there are in the US? Your argument is for a law that doesn't exist. Nor should it.
     
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    The problem comes when there is doubt whether they were allowed to be present or were told that counting was going to end and they left. How many polling locations there are in the US is only relevant, if that is going to happen at all polling sites. Most localities have judges,
     
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    All that fraud! Immediately if not sooner, change that 7 million vote margin from Biden to Trump and resurrect 40 lawsuits and find every Democrat and their mother guilty of fraud. Case closed. Feel better now cultists?
     
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    With respect to this specific case, here are the affidavits of each of the poll observers, and the investigator. You can draw your own conclusions:

    Mitchell Harrison (Observer)
    Michelle Branton (Observer)
    Frances Watson (Chief Investigator in the Office of GA Secretary of State)
     

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