Voter suppression

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  1. facts>superstition

    facts>superstition New Member

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    Once again, the GOP is making efforts to make it harder for (non-republican) Americans to vote.
    Since the republican party is becoming less and less relevant and is a shrinking demographic, they are supporting efforts to keep the other side from even making it into the ballot box, rather than supporting better policies.

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  2. Phoebe Bump

    Phoebe Bump New Member

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    The right has a long, proud history of voter suppression in this country. You don't expect them to give it up just because of the Civil Rights Act, do you?
     
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    Given your username, I would have expected a link to this "once again" incident about which you are posting. In case you have not put 2 and 2 together, the GOP benefits greatly from senior voters and seniors are less likely to have valid ID and have harder time getting valid ID, so your argument seems like a streeeeeeeeeeeeetch.
     
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    Erhm.. the GOP benefits from white seniors, not the black ones that grew up in the Jim Crow pre-civil rights era. You know, the ones they want to keep from voting Democrat...
     
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    Which is odd considering the southern DEMOCRATS are the ones that perpetuated the Jim Crow system, but we know that is not the issue anyways. The democrats just want to be able to round up anybody they can on election day in places where they know they are down.
     
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    Don't get caught up on party lines. The ideology is what is important. Those southern Jim-Crow conservatives have been incorporated into the GOP. Most of their ideology is found in the tea party.
     
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    ....and the Social Progressives who think that blacks are too dumb or lazy or incompetent to be able to make a living so we must support them because they are black, but variety is the spice of life.
     
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    Talking about requiring ID to vote? Don't see the big deal at all. You think only non republicans don't have IDs? I think nit's perfectly rational to have to prove who you are to vote, you have to do it for virtually everything else, to include purchase firearms, buy alcohol, cigarettes, drive (in most states) buy a house, buy a car, take out a loan. etc etc.
     
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    Democrats have quite the history themselves
     
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    Use of such an ignorant talking point makes one just as ignorant.
     
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    I know that is why I tried to educate you with a fact, but apparently one simple fact is too complicated to grasp. Oh well, you can lead a camel to water, but not your duty to jump in and save his drowning hump.
     
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    I have never heard a social progressive issue that sentiment.
     
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    I had no idea Rush Limbaugh was a social progressive.
     
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    Among others.
     
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    Sounds a lot like thoughts inspired by Rush Limbaugh.
     
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    BitterPill New Member Past Donor

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    Well, to be honest those Southern Democrats jumped to the Republican Party, but I doubt you'd let that fact get in the way.
     
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    Well to do white seniors vote heavily GOP, not so much elderly blacks and hispanics, guess which seniors are most likely to not have a valid picture id?
     
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    I guess if you want to Southern Democrats voter suppressionists. Those boys are Republicans now.
     
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    I need an ID for a gun, to drive, to use my debit card... to do just about anything, why not to vote?
     
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    Driving and swiping your credit card are not rights.

    Voting is a citizen right.

    ID's shall be provided for every citizen FREE of charge or it is unconstitutional. Poll tax (paying for a photo ID) is a DIRECT violation of the 24th Amendment.
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Right.

    So should I be able to purchase automatic weapon without an ID?

    Yes or no.
     
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    Absolutely not. Owning a gun is not a right in this country.. for if it were a right, no background (in the future - mental health) check would be needed. Gun ownership is still being debated among constitutional scholars as it is not explicitly defined in the 2nd Amendment. Rights are not conditional.
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    LOL

    Alright. I guess "the right of the people, to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

    I assume you never read the DC vs. Heller ruling? Guns were found to be a right in the US. A right subject to reasonable restrictions. Just like any other.

    I do not see how requiring an ID prior to voting is even remotely a violation of anyone's right.
     
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    The entire Amendment is prefaced by "well-regulated militia," which is the continual source of debate. The constitution is explicit in that regard.

    Guns are not explicitly stated, as I mentioned above, because it is prefaced.

    However, the right to vote for citizens is explicitly mentioned in the constitution several times; most notably in the 14th Amendment. Poll tax is directly referenced in the 24th Amendment.

    Like I said, I don't have a problem with photo ID's.. I have a problem with them costing time and money to acquire. They shall be provided for ALL citizens. Anything different to this is disenfranchisement. If a citizen has to go retrieve records to obtain an ID, the oh-so-honest republican government will be sure to make that process as difficult and stallish as possible.
     
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    Well, your nonsense about the second amendment is bull(*)(*)(*)(*). I suggest actually reading the Amendment, Article 1 Section 8, and the DC vs. Heller case.

    As for ID's for no cost, I completely agree. A cost should not be associated with voting.
     
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