VP Pence said to be gearing up for all-out Cold War with China unless it bows to all US demands

VP Pence said to be gearing up for all-out Cold War with China unless it bows to all US demands
Published time: 14 Nov, 2018 06:48

Washington expects Beijing to undertake a dramatic change in all of its policies to accommodate US demands and is prepared for prolonged hostilities if it does not, Vice President Mike Pence reportedly said.
The confrontational stance of the Trump administration was described by journalist Josh Rogin in a Washington Post opinion piece. He said Pence outlined it to him during a flight aboard Air Force Two on the VP’s Asian trip.

The US wants China to offer concessions on a wide range of grievances, from intellectual property protection to territorial claims in the South China Sea.

Chinese President Xi Jinping is also expected to make a pledge to change Beijing’s economic, military, and political behavior during his meeting with US President Donald Trump on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Buenos Aires on November 30. If Washington is not satisfied, there will be “an all-out Cold War,” according to Rogin.

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“I think much of that will depend on Argentina,”Pence said. “The president’s attitude is, we want to make sure they know where we stand, what we are prepared to do, so they can come to Argentina with concrete proposals that address not just the trade deficit that we face… We’re convinced China knows where we stand.”

Pence said the US is “in a strong position” for a potential escalation of the trade war it has already unleashed on China. He added that the US had no intention of ceding influence in Asia to China and will not back down if Beijing choses to continue its current policies.

“Then so be it,” Pence said. “We are here to stay.”

Washington has been ramping up pressure on Beijing in recent years, imposing tariffs on Chinese goods and lately accusing China of interfering in US domestic politics.

Beijing seems to have no intention to concede. It responded to US tariffs with its own protectionist measures and continues its multibillion-dollar One Belt investment program, which is meant to secure additional stable trade routes to its most important suppliers and customers.

https://www.rt.com/usa/443911-pence-cold-war-china/

 

looks like a Mexican standoff to me on the highseas video time 0:35

 

Can Kung Fu be a way out for Chinese government?
Can Chinese population used as a dangerous softpower tool even against ""RUSSIA"" in the near future?
Can the world afford "any longer" feeding Chinese population by making constant market demands?
Can you cry over spilled milk?

 

Either Washington is super stupid and doesn't know that former 'empires' do not bow to ultimatums, or they're playing a game. I think it's a game the same as it was with N. Korea.

 

games of chicken don't end up very well in headons

 

i like the skull face guys here they look cool video time 0:40

 

that is kind of stupid
why US had armed China in the first place.

 

If this is supposed to be a joke I gotta say it aint funny at all but if you are serious then a lot of laughs coming in your way man...
What empire in history had 1.4 billion reasons to support globalism in order to survive as a unitary state?
What empire in history had managed to stand against an enemy who literally "owned" 7 seas and beyond?
Are we in the age of empires? No, we're in an age where China "leases" construction machines from foreign countries to build itself airstrips on submerged rocks called reefs to claim territory, or to steal from countries that have shores to South China sea...
They think it is such a good investment at the times of peace to control vital trade routes in case it is broken. They even dare to deter vessels cruising by FON by anti-ship missiles deployed on those highly disputed islands...

 

Pence never said it was a cold war.

 

its as the military industry complex has gone wild

 

Does Pence have anything at all to do with this administration?

 

The solution becomes the problem. It's a hallowed law of history. We armed the Soviets against the Germans, and then the Germans against the Soviets.

We... well armed is a strong word, but we set the Chinese up before the Russians. Now we look at the Chinese with concern and the Japanese and Vietnamese as potential allies. Once China is no longer the going concern, we're going to get nervous about the Japanese-Southeast Asian alliance forming before our eyes.

 

Let's get down to reality. The only reason China started its silk road trade routes was out of fear of the US 7th fleet, and that it could blockade its ships and squeeze it into submission. To us, those seas are a means of control and maintaining our hegemony. To China, they have always been a matter of survival.

 

We owned half the world after WWII, and had the military and economic power to be a force of good in the world by encouraging trade and building up nations economically. But paranoia set in, and we became anything but.

To maintain our hegemony, we started a policy of divide and conquer and made the world a mess. Maybe it had to do with fear of the Soviet Union with its globalist and liberal ideologies.

Well the Soviet Union fell in the East, but it didn't die. The same minds that formed it are now here. We are now the successors with our globalism, lying press, liberal ideologies, attacks on Christian virtues, and the gross materialism and indifference towards human lives.

The thing that separates us, is that everything in the USSR was government owned and controlled, while here everything is corporate owned and controlled. They who own the corporations, own us. It's the same imprisonment of mankind. Same evil.

 

China flooding the world with money have pushed asset prices globally sky-high (share market and property). This have caused people in countries like Australia to go into enormous amounts of debt just to be able to afford a home. As far as I'm concerned China do need to stop "printing money through debt" and throwing money at corrupt officials in the third world via their Belt and Road initiative. They are only fuelling debt and causing instability, officials steal money leaving countries with debt they are unable to repay. A lot of pain is around the corner for many people.

As far as the South China Sea goes most of the world have an invested interest in this area since so much cargo and fossil fuels flow through this area to China, South Korea, and Japan. A very large number of Australia's freight flows through the SCS, handing it over to China goes against National Security interests for too many.

To be honest I don't feel sorry for the Chinese their arrogance are matched by the Americans... both are bullies

 

The difference is that Chinese are smart bullies while American bullies are stupid.

 

Somewhat agree...

 

Sorry I don't care for sweeping statements and there are two of them in your post. Stupidity is also a universal problem.

Why? Why are they stupid? I have my own issues with the Americans but they are specific and in the case of the Trade war, I think it is a calculated and well considered move, not a kneejerk reaction many considered it to be.

The Chinese economy is running on debt, property boom, corruption and hype, I would liken it to a runaway train, it needs to be brought under control... and if Beijing won't do it, the Americans will do it for them.

 

I must be missing something in your sweeping statement.
China's debt to GDP is 1/2 of ours. There wage growth is around 7%. Their inflation around 3%, and a GDP growth of nearly 7%.

 

I’m quite happy to provide evidence to support my statement. First rule of understanding China’s smoke and mirrors economy is to not trust their economic figures.

https://www.ft.com/content/a9889330-f51c-11e7-88f7-5465a6ce1a00

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-city-admits-fake-economic-data-idUSKBN1F60I1

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Chinese-economy-grows-on-fake-stats-44791.html


as fake as their science…

Inside the 'shadowy world' of China's fake science research black market

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science...-inside-chinas-research-black-market/10238730

Up until a decade ago China was indeed growing at a very fast rate, when the US hit their subprime crises the Chinese refused to admit their own downturn and fuelled their economy on debt and land expropriation.

Approximately 60 to 65 million Chinese villagers had their land expropriated by local governments. They borrowed large amounts of money to develop these properties (twice as much as they need now referred to as ghost cities) and when Beijing clamped down on debt they (local governments) circumvented these laws and formed State owned enterprises, that issued bonds to fund more property development. China’s Shadow banking system is estimated round 12 trillion yuan, no one knows the exact or real value due to the opaque nature of these loans…. Loans taken out to repay loans shoved in a black box….

Some of these loans /bond payments are now due and local governments are already having trouble paying wages.

Chinese city misses payday as Xi reins in shadow banks
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Chinese-city-misses-payday-as-Xi-reins-in-shadow-banks

https://www.nikkoam.com.au/adviser/...bt-swap-shining-light-on-the-shadows?nk-route

https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Pi...vernments-come-clean-on-debt-companies-teeter

The crux of the issue is that Beijing would set GDP targets expecting local governments who received grants from Beijing to meet these targets, failure would be a career killer. Local governments would invest in property development instead of sustainable industry because it returns the highest growth rate.

China’s belt and road is another way to try and meet GDP, their loans come with a Chinese labour and materials clause, defeating the purpose of infrastructure investment for other countries by reaping the rewards of jobs and supply chain investment a country would normally gain when investing in infrastructure. These countries get a new port… road and a large amount of debt but the benefit of economic growth and jobs go to China.

China’s export industry is highly subsidised, it is how they manage to keep their prices low, drive overseas competitors out of business the increase their pricing once the competition is gone.

Ask yourself where does all the money China invest in shares and property in countries like Australia come from, every time a Chinese bank creates a loan, they create new money. China is responsible for over 60% of all new money globally, more than the U.S. Federal Reserve, the European Central Bank, and the Bank of Japan combined.

Usually when so much money is printed and pushed into an economy, you will find inflation. This have not happened in China because the new money have been limited to a small group of elite, while millions of villagers have lost their properties to provide these funds. These extremely wealthy Chinese elites invested this money into property and shares locally and globally and this is why we find ourselves with inflated shares and property in so many countries, prices are not determined by supply but by the supply of money and the demand for somewhere to invest it. Unfortunately for the Chinese they have also cheated themselves out of a large consumer base by stealing land from their villagers.

I’m not close to finished but I think my post is long enough.

 

How does America bully Australia exactly?

 

But they are still smarter, because all their policies benefit their people.
Americans fight against themselves, making their lives more miserable.
This is clear definition of stupidity.

 

In the US those same shenanigans are done by corporations. Don't be fooled just because they are still a little Communist.

Think back to where China was a few decades ago. Today they possess about half of the fastest 1000 computers in the world and a few in the top 10.

China thinks it will need about 300 million people for new urban jobs. Are you sure they are not planning ahead?

China has a trade based economy so they reach out to develop trade. My favorite is what they are doing with soybeans. They can borrow money from the World bank cheaper than Brazil. So they loan Brazil a couple of billion to improve their infrastructure so they can get more soy to China. Brazil can repay because they have the business from China. Everybody is happy except the US farmer that is watching his market disappear.
The same way with the Islands. For a couple billion they can build a half dozen unsinkable aircraft carriers to protect their trade routes.

China is moving all those little village farms into what I guess you would call communes. They take away your hoe and give you a tractor. It's the stuff GDP growth is made of.

Don't misunderstand. I'm not crazy about what they are doing to us, but to underestimate them because you don't understand them is dangerous.

 

Population Scarl... Population...

 

Well China offers Germany / EU an anti USA alliance. The EU is largest market in the world. If we side with China, USA has nothing to laugh