Want to live 10 years longer?

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    You are correct when it comes to someone who is sedentary. If you are not burning the calories then you don't need them and will just gain unnecessary weight.

    However in some circumstances it is essential to feed sick people more than what they would normally consume. When my spouse was undergoing chemo they watched her weight like a hawk in the hospital and were concerned if she lost any because it would mean that she would be losing strength.

    When they did the stem cell transplant she was eating way more than normal and not gaining any weight because her body was burning those calories regenerating her bone marrow. This is standard practice for this type of treatment and it is very effective in achieving long term positive outcomes.
     
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    I agree, but if someone is in a coma for a year, they should not wake up 50 lbs heavier, they can give them a specific diet such as keto and adjust the calories given by simply adjusting the fat added, you still get all the other nutrients and your body just uses stored fat as needed when it has excess, obviously if your skinny you need more calories, but as they give you too many, you gain fat, that is the body storing that energy for later, so reducing calories some to keep weight stable makes sense at that point, obesity is dangerous for ones health, the medical community should never be making people obese via forced feedings
     
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    It goes without saying that grains should always be whole, and rice should be brown, etc. Few sensible people are still eating only white/processed carbs. It's so obvious that I tend not to bother stating it. Kinda like saying 'smoking is bad for you', ya know.

    I believe that the less meat (and cheese) we eat, the longer we live. Both are bad for us, even in moderation. For optimal health both really should be 'occasional'.
     
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    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is a good recent study showing an VLCD diet which triggers ketosis can reverse type 2 diabetes. More info here
     
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    yep, keto has been shown to have the same benefits

    intermittent fasting also look promising
     
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    only if you barely move!
     
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    for intermittent fasting? they worked pretty hard in the old days and they often ate the last meal at 5pm not eating again till the next morning, at which time they usually ate bacon and eggs

    I guess if you are very slender and have no fat energy backed up for later use, then what you say is true, but in ancient times our ancestors often went without food for days or more and still had plenty of energy to hunt

    "Diet that mimics fasting appears to slow aging"

    https://news.usc.edu/82959/diet-that-mimics-fasting-appears-to-slow-aging/

    "Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system"

    https://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-triggers-stem-cell-regeneration-of-damaged-old-immune-system/
     
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    That is why it is called breakfast meaning to break the overnight fast.
     
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    I have severe metabolic syndrome and have all my life. The first time I EVER got my blood sugar under control was after going keto six and a half years ago. My quality of life improved DRAMATICALLY almost immediately. Just yesterday I was driving to a customer site and was thinking how nice it is to feel well in the morning. Until I went keto, I felt terrible every single morning of my life.

    What motivated me to try keto was when I passed out from the sugar a glass of milk. I had heard about keto but it was still considered to be dangerous. But I reached a point where I didn't care. Medicine had nothing to offer and I couldn't continue to live like that. I was desperate! It was the best decision I ever made.

    I am into hard ketosis again right now. I had been cheating too much and started adding belly fat. Wow! I had forgotten how fast the fat just melts away.

    When I first started all of this I was 70 pounds overweight and my health was spiraling out of control. Every time I exercised I figured I might drop dead. But I didn't care. Either I was going to beat this or I was going to be dead. I lost all the weight. But who knew I would end up healthier than I've ever been! Now I can give guys in their 20s a run for their money in the gym.

    Low blood sugar crises - gone
    70 pounds - gone
    Joint pain - gone
    A lifetime of hearburn and a chronic Tums habbit - gone

    There were other notable and unexpected benefits, but it's been so long now I'm forgetting what all they were.
     
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    Oh I know the other big surprise: My blood pressure was running at about 145/90. Within about six months I was down to 120/80. The last time it was checked it was at 110/75. I don't take any medications.

    My guess is that it was the salt intake. When you give up carbs you have to give up pretty much all processed foods. Processed foods are loaded with salt. I didn't realize how much my salt intake had been reduced until I made a keto pizza. After going over a year without pizza, I could hardly wait!!! But between the cheese and meats, the salt content was overwhelming. It was like eating a salt lick.

    The biggest surprise was the heartburn. I had chronic heartburn since I was a child. I started eating my dad's Rolaids by age 10. I had heartburn after every meal and always had. I was so young that it all just seemed normal. Come to find out, it was the bread! I wasn't 100% certain until I tried to cheat about a year ago. My gf left some bread here. About midnight one night I realized I had bread and butter. I could have a couple of pieces of toast!!! I hadn't had toast or bread of any kind in almost six years. I don't have a toaster but could use the broiler. So I splurged and had two pieces of toast. Within an hour or two I woke up with reflux so bad I had to run to the bathroom to spit it out. My gut and throat were on fire! I hadn't had that feeling since the last time I had a piece of bread, six years ago.

    The chances are, were it not for keto, I would have been dead years ago. And I've spent the last 6 years with gorgeous women in their 20s. I even managed to reverse the need for Viagra by hammering the elliptical like my life depends on it. I do HIIT [high intensity interval training] and push for all I'm worth That is a miracle machine - a sex machine! I also swim and lift weights. But you can't beat the elliptical for no-impact cardio.
     
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    Fasting does lower body temperature and insulin levels.....
    “Scientists say that the decreased body temperature and insulin levels are particularly important in this study because they are good indicators of increased longevity and are often referred to as the biomarkers of longevity.”
     
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    The 5 habits are
    not smoking = I'm screwed
    30 minutes of exercise a day = sorted I swim 2 miles every other day both in lakes and pools depending on time of year
    maintaining a healthy BMI = too thin.
    drinking no more than a glass of wine a day for women and two glasses for men = hate wine can only assume beer is a super food ;)
    and eating fruits and vegetables = Ketchup is a fruit right?
    and limiting saturated fat, sugar and red meat. = Deep fat fried subways are still ok though?

    Prognosis I might already be dead lol.[/QUOTE]
     
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    [/QUOTE]
    Cigarettes are a real killer, by up to ten years. The last several years are often interminable suffering. So, keep laughing while you can. The exercise, the diet and moderate eating don’t help smokers much. They still suffered and die way too early. Smoking does help people stay thin, but they still die earlier then moderately overweight people regardless.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/23/smoking-cessation-life-expectancy/1858913/
     
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    A sedentary lifestyle is now said to be as bad or worse than smoking.
     
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    Given your negative reaction to bread have you ever been tested for Celiac AKA gluten allergy?
     
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    No. I've wondered but don't have any of the other symptoms and severe reflux/chronic heartburn isn't listed as one. Also, other foods with gluten don't cause heartburn problems. Just recently I was on a malt kick but had no negative effects.
     
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    I have had a severe blood sugar reaction to beer. But no heartburn. The blood sugar reaction makes sense because beer is high in maltose, which immediately breaks down to glucose - 2 glucose molecules for every maltose molecule.

    About 5 years ago I had three beers over two nights. That took me out for an entire weekend. It was the worst blood sugar reaction I've had in years.
     
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    Fair enough. If you don't have any negative reactions to pasta, cookies, etc then no, you do not have a gluten allergy.
     
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    I'm curious about other people with chronic heartburn. Are they affected by bread as well? The real irony is that I would eat bread thinking it would reduce heartburn!!! I would sometimes eat toast trying to reduce the burn. Eeeeesh!!!!
     
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    I may have the same reaction to any products made from wheat flour, but not to gluten products specifically. If it was just gluten, malt would get me. My protein drink is high in malt. Beer should cause problems too but didn't; not heartburn.

    I haven't had cookies or pasta for so long I have no way to know. I can't even remember the last time I had any but it has been over six years.
     
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    I can only recall suffering from heartburn once in my life. After it began I went to a bunch of specialists who ran a lot of different tests but could not come up with any specific diagnosis. Then one evening my spouse and I were having dinner at my parent's house and afterwards I had another attack of heartburn. This had never happened before which made me curious so I went into the kitchen and I was looking around when I spotted the empty ice cream container. I checked out the ingredients and I noticed that they included an artificial creamer. That gave me an idea and the next day at work I took at look at what they were putting in the automated coffee machine that had been recently installed as an "efficiency saver". Needless to say it was using the identical artificial creamer. Problem solved by avoiding artificial creamers. In fact I avoid everything artificial and have done so ever since. No margarine, sweeteners, flavorings, etc, etc.
     
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    Unless you have chronic foot pain from feet that have been trashed from jumping out of planes, helicopters, excessive walking, working on your feet and/or Charcot Joint syndrome.

    As far as living 10 years longer, I've always maintained that the quality of one's life is more important than the quantity of life.
     
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    That gets back to unintended benefits of keto. You really can't eat much that is artificial. And that solves a host of problems. As for artificial sweeteners, in principle Sucralose is okay. But in practice Sucralose products like Splenda have maltodextrin, which has a high glycemic index. I was using a fair amount of Splenda and I think that is one reason I started adding belly fat again.

    The other thing is milk. It is surprisingly high in sugar - 13 grams per 8 oz. I could drink milk all day long. And it's especially tasty with some malt in it! :D For me to go fully ketogenic again, cutting down on milk was the biggest change. Just two 8-oz cups a day puts you near the daily limit for sugar, to remain ketogenic.
     
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    Adding muscle mass and reducing fat is key for men. Fat secretes a compound that converts testosterone to estrogen. Reduced testosterone levels are responsible for much of what we consider aging in men. And increased estrogen levels are correlated with many health problems.

    It is found that the BMI isn't as good of a predictor of testosterone levels as is muscle mass alone. So adding muscle is technically more important than losing fat, in this sense. But in any case, adding muscle and cutting fat are two of the best things men can do to fight the effects of age.
     
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