War crimes committed by Israel

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  1. Pisa

    Pisa Well-Known Member

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    Explain why, during all the years Jordan controlled the West Bank, nobody - Arabs, the international community, Muslim countries, and residents of the "Palestinian lands" themselves - asked Jordan to cede the "Palestinian lands" to a Palestinian Arab nation. Seems to me rather odd that land conquered by the Hahsemite tribe from Saudi Arabia became Palestinian only when Jews claimed ownership. Even more eyebrow-raising is the generosity of said Palestinian nation toward their former Hahsemite overlords - you of course must be aware that close to 40% of Palestine - unclaimed even by the most ferocious pro-Palestinians - is on the eastern shore of Jordan river, under Hashemite rule,.

    A new improved definition of "Palestinian lands" is urgently needed, as it becomes more and more apparent that land is somehow magically turned into "Palestinian lands" only if touched by Jews.

    According to international law, generated by the Document of the Mandate, and the principle of international law uti possidetis juris, all the territory west of Jordan river is Jewish ground.
    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp
    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2745094

    UN resolutions are not international law.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    According to the mandate, all the territory west of the Jordan was not jewish ground. Maybe you should actually read the damn thing. The Palestinians rejected the Jordanian offer of annexation, while Egypt refused to take Gaza. Israel's "possession" of the west bank is a belligerent military occupation. It was designated such by the Israeli Supreme Court. Oh my.
     
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    I read the damn thing and it turns out the mandate included both the area of Israel and the area of Jordan.
    Now 3/4 of the area was given to the Palestinians and is called Jordan and you want to devide the last 1/4 between the Jews and the rwst of the Palestinians.
    Where did you read that error?
    For example the head of the west bank palestinians, Mahamud Abbas is a Jordanian citizen. The chif negotiation Saeb Arikat is a Jordanian citizen, and many more.
    Not only they did not reject, they embraced being Jordanians, because that is that they are.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Mea Culpa. I conflated the mandate and the partition plan.

    The separation agreement - a truly bad joke - gave most of the mandate to Jordan, and left west of Jordan to be divided between the jewish and arab inhabitants in the most idiotic unworkable fashion possible.

    OTOH, the Palestinian civil war and the war of independence defined who got what. Hence the "green line" borders from 48 to 67. From then on, the state of Israel has been a belligerent military occupant of the territories. And that is a fact.

    Annexation of land conquered in war is illegal under international law. And that is another fact.
     
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    In order to prove your claim you first have to introduce such an 'international law' and then prove that law apply to the case you talk about, then you have to prove all other cases are treated the same. Some examples: creme by russia, cyprus by turkey, french, spanish, british, ....
    You failed to do any of those, empty slogans will not do.
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    Just for the sake of argument, lets say.

    The Jews got sick of losing their land by force, and took the land by force and it is theirs.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    true, a nation has no legal right to annex occupied land unless there is a peace treaty.

    however, the Golan Heights had only a few Syrians living there, they are now all in Syria living happy lives, and the Heights are somewhat vital to israel's security so i dont terribly mind that annexation.
     
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    What a silly thread. Isreal can do no wrong, and anything they decide to do should just be instantly rubber stamped by America.

    /sarcasm off.

    The idea that America should take Isreals side no matter what is just ridiculous.
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    Actually it's a really good idea.
     
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    So we're supposed to take the side of the death cult with the blood lottery? That's somehow a better side to take?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund
     
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    Actually, its a terrible idea put forth by just awful people. Just total garbage people. No redeeming qualities about them what so ever.
     
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    Don't you think the Muslims should at least offer some of the land they stole from the Jews in trade.
     
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    You mean that land that was taken from them to begin with to create Isreal in the first place?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    its immoral to hold Palestinians responsible for what people in Algeria or Iraq did.
     
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    No, I mean all the land around there that used to be Jewish.

    And Israel The Jews owned it 17 times in the last 4000 years.
    More than anyone.

    I'm sure they can offer something.

    Oh BTW, when the Muslims steal land, they behead everyone,
    Just the males though,\
     
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    It's immoral for Pallies to operate on the whims of the surrounding Islamic countries.

    This is not about land.
    It's about killing Jews.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    funny, a few weeks ago you suggested that there was only two options for China to deal with their Muslims: concentration camps or extermination.
     
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    And re-education.
    Why is that funny, it's sad.
    But the only way.

    I asked for another option.

    People in the western countries don't care if the women are raped and the constant murders.

    In China they do.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so non-Muslims don't commit rape and murder?

    LOLOLOL!!!!

    :p
     
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    That's an excuse.
    Of course they do.
    But generally not in organized gangs, with the blessings of their God.
    Not in the numbers Muslims do.

    This is about the religion, and the things allowed, even ordered, and the
    conflict with Chinese laws.

    They are not giving away their country, like the west is doing.
     
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    We can deal with our own rapist and murderers. No need to import more of them.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the Chinese Communists chose to conquer and annex a Muslim territory called Xinjiang.

    now they have to deal with the consequences, which includes millions of Muslims.

    if the ChiComs don't like Muslims,they should leave their territory
     
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    Or replace the muslims, or "reeducate" them, which they are doing.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    or maybe ChiComs should leave the Muslim lands.
     

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