Was Hillary's loss result of campaigning in error?

You're a Russian.

You know better than us that the Russians don't back anyone they cannot control.

Russia did not liberate Eastern Europe and hold elections in WWII. They installed Moscow-trained East Europeans to run those countries according to Soviet dictates.

When Mao became dictator of China, he had every member of the party executed who had any contact with Russians. He was not going to let the same thing happen to him.

To think the Russians would back a loose cannon like Donald Trump who had no chance of winning is ridiculous to anyone but a Trump Hater.

The Russians are into DISINFORMATION.

Any possible Russian interference, including the hack of the DNC, was for the purpose of embarrassing the expected winner, Hillary Clinton. They expected the Republican to throw her emails at her and stifle Congress.

The election didn't turn out as expected, but the Russians are succeeding anyway.

The Democrats are fulfilling any Russia's disinformation attempts with the Russian Collusion Illusion. They are the losers throwing dirt.

How ironic is that?

 

It was a major reason he got as many votes as he did, are you suggesting it was not?

 

Are you saying that the Russians backed Trump's whole campaign for the purpose of disinformation and then got lucky when he won? We're pretty much in agreement except for the fact that I say Trump knew all about it and helped when he could whereas you say he was a passive observer, which even if true impeaches him as a co-consprirator if he knew about it but didn't turn it in anyway.

 

There were many parts of your reply I was going to respond to, but the above piece stopped me cold. It's so completely false at so many levels that I'm at a loss on trying to have a conversation. Wow. Just Wow.

 

Most liberals have jumped off the "Hillary wasn't corrupt" train. You'll find a rare few who are still on it. Just laugh it off.

 

Yep, just keep telling yourselves "Hillary is a good woman", the democrats are the HONEST party." That's working well.

 

You're right but it's hard. There is actually pause in brain function when trying to process how anyone can still grasp that fantasy.

 

The alt left extremists are taking Hildabeast's loss incredibly hard.

 

The DNC emails did not affect the voting any more than the Access Hollywood tape cost Trump the election.

The simple fact is a presidential election involves STRATEGY.

A candidate must decide which states to campaign hard in in order to win enough electoral votes to become president. Trump campaigned hard in states that Hillary assumed she would win. She hardly campaigned in those states at all. As a result, she lost those states and the election.

In America, we have a saying.

Your snooze, you lose.

 

Again, most of my statistician friends say this business of campaigning for electoral votes really can't be done, if you try to get EC votes you will lose popular votes and vice versa. The only people who ever say they ran a campaign for EC votes are those who won that way, it's really just luck

And the only time that luck is important is when the election is close. This election should not have been close. The AH tapes didn't hurt Trump nearly as much as the DNC tapes hurt Hillary because most Trump voters are willing to forgive misogynism, along with about everything else but Hillary's voters were fickle *******s who didn't seem to realize that Elections have Consequences.

And whether the hacking effected the election is really irrelevant. The Watergate burglary wouldn't have had a noticeable effect on the 1972 election even if it had succeeded and it didn't. It still forced Nixon out , and he was a popular and competent President many of both parties were loathe to lose. The Republican leadership is now looking for any way to get rid of Trump that will meet with their own bases approval, because if he stays in it may bring out the normally non-voting Dems for the mid-terms. Republicans quake in terror at that thought, because then even the most carefully gerrymandered seats are threatened, and everyone else is doomed.

 

"Republicans quake in terror"
"Hillary by a Landslide"
"Dems are taking Congress back"
"Dems will win this special election"
"Dems will win this special election"
"Dems will win this special election"
"Dems will win this special election"
"Dems will win this special election"

Yea man. Cause the left's predictions have been so accurate thus far.

 

Am I saying the Russians backed Trump with a disinformation campaign?

Perhaps something is getting lost in translation. I will simplify.

1. The Russian did not have a crystal ball on the November election.

2. It was assumed Hillary would win. Every poll and news organization right up to the moments the polls closed last November predicted it with certainty.

3. Because of 1 and 2, the Russian could not possibly have known Trump would win

4. The Russians don't back anyone they cannot control

5. Therefore any interference was designed to disrupt the election ITSELF, not determine a winner.

6. It an ASSUMED fact that the Russians hacked the DNC and obtained embarrassing emails. It is not a PROVEN fact.

6. By smearing Hillary with her party's emails, someone wanted to de-legitimize her assumed win.

7. By a miracle called the American Elections, Trump won instead.

8. Because of this upset, instead of Republicans attacking Hillary's honesty or these emails, it is the democrats who have been attacking Donald Trump claiming he had something to do with them.

9. There is NO EVIDENCE the Trump Campaign had anything to do with emails or any interference by anyone.

10. Regardless of the outcome, whoever wanted to interfere in the election results has succeeded.

11. They have not succeeded by the vote count but by the result.

12. The failure to smear Hillary has been turned into an effort to smear Donald Trump.

13. Failure has been turned into success thanks to sore losers called Democrats.

 

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It's going to take the liberals another Presidential election loss to realize the bigoted "progressives", or as they act like, regressives, need to go. Old school liberals will have to take their party back to win in 2024.

 

Wow, Aleksander;

That last post must have really been something to be deleted.

Was it meant for me?

Are you by any chance a Russian hacker?

 

So now it's shadowy elements of the Democrats who attacked Hillary, elements who meant to "de-legitimize" her Presidency by smearing her with her own hacked emails, which had already been published BEFORE the election.

Uhhuh, tell me, have you ever heard of Occam's Razor.

Or better yet the phrase "ANYONE but the God-Emperor"

This is becoming increasingly ridiculous. I will rejoin this thread when Mueller announces he has proof that Trump is guilty of a crime and should be impeached so he can be charged with it

 

This makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

 

Aleksander;

With respect, your friends are wrong. More than one American Presidential election has seen one candidate win more votes while the other candidate won more electoral votes. 1876 and 2000 come to mind.

 

Aleksander;

"...This is becoming increasingly ridiculous. I will rejoin this thread when Mueller announces he has proof that Trump is guilty of a crime and should be impeached so he can be charged with it"

We will never hear from again.

 

Sigh...will we ever stop analyzing her loss? Three things:
She was a flawed candidate.
She belonged to the party of extreme ideas, most of which ordinary Americans don't relate to.
Liberals named called, bullied and just generally behaved badly, which makes enemies, not friends.

 

Bridget;

Add a fourth thing:

She's a sore loser.

 

Hillary's loss was due to the deplorable statement. I noticed that the Trumpies got really irate with that statement, and I think it toughened the resolve of most of them. Just like Romney's 47% statement is what killed him. You can't ridicule a sizable portion of the population during the general election and win a Presidential election (you can do that during the primary).

 

I disagree. It is often self-less. I support things politically that are against my personal interests, but which I believe would be better for the country as a whole. It's called idealism. Are you really that selfish that you only think about your own self?

 

Obama didn't make a mistake. He knew exactly that he was lying.