Was Trump our worst president?

Well of course he did during the debates.

 

very mysterious lol And of course totally discredited bologna like everything you are told.

 

You are totally wrong of course no matter what they said on the internet crazy Network lol

 

Not hardly...

 

Actually you are spreading lies told by Democrats.

 

That is true. And they load up all issues with tons of trash talking.

 

You mean the illegal aliens don't carry signs that they approve Biden?

 

Actually this nations border patrol make those claims about the wide open border.

 

So You think a living wage health care daycare pay perental leave cheap college and training and great vacations like every other modern country is controlling your life? Absolute garbage propaganda.

 

Just The ones who talked to Fox noise. It's not true for one thing. The only people saying we have open borders are your garbage propagandaists and the missinformed.

 

Those are the people who got stopped as our laws proscribe. They have to prove special conditions to be allowed in. It is not biden's fault that Trump stopped immigration for four years or the hurricanes and global warming killing off Central America or the Haitians who have walked from Brazil and Chile all the way here because of what they heard and basically being thrown out of those countries. And many have relatives already here. That is why almost half get to come in and then go to court for it. Like 98% do.

 

Has there been any other president that has been impeached 2x voted out as an incumbent, and lost the popular vote in 2 elections?

 

Who cares what the political clown-show is doing in its spare time .. the proof is in the pudding .. the acomplishments .. or lack therof.

 

I never said that he did. But the frictions between North & South, which had long been an ongoing part of national politics, WAS due, specifically, to slavery. Please try, Robert, to better read, for context.

My reply had been to Jolly Penguin's post:

Jolly Penguin said: ↑
Trump claimed the election was stolen from him. Many of his supporters thought so too. So ya, that is pretty divisive. But.... You also had an actual civil war.

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So it seemed that he was making some relativist assessment of the national division, fanned by Trump, compared to that which afflicted our country, leading to our Civil War. My point was that this past division could not be tied to the actions of any one President; in other words, Lincoln's commanding of the Union Army into the South, did not come out of the blue (if you'll forgive the expression). The divisiveness, at that time, was a long-standing fact.

The argument that Lincoln was our worst President, for turning that division into a war, is a different one than Jolly seemed to be presenting,* but a position which I also said that I was open to hearing, though that it would certainly require a good argument. Your post, above, does not qualify as that.

If, then, this is the case, of which you wish to convince this thread's participants, you know how to lay out an argument.



* @Jolly Penguin . No response required. I am just practicing the courtesy of which I spoke, in our other thread, of sending an alert to another member, when discussing ideas from one of their posts.

 

How has Biden been dictatorial?

 

IOW, your vote was cast based on a steaming pile dung spewed by the right wing media disinformation machine.

 

I would use some of the Left wingers sources if they stopped lying. I watched the lies told today by Meet the Press so I do check them out too.

 

Amazing you said that.

Biden's poll numbers are falling like Yosemite Falls in CA. Taking a dump of major proportions.
Biden is a dictator for the following reasons and this is just the surface.
Killed a deal Canada had made with the USA
Approved a Putin deal with Germany
Dictated terms of surrendering to the Taliban.
We have 450 Americans still trapped. But he did manage to bring some of the Taliban into America.
Dictator over Climate
Dictator over energy
Dictator over the border with Mexico and is allowing illegals to flow in at massive record rates.

 

I never said you said he did.
And as usual, slavery comes up as issue .

Abe invaded the states of VA at Manassas creek (I have been there to see for myself) Because his claims were to reunite the Union.
Actually it was like forcing a woman who is abused by her husband to remain married to him and suffer more abuse.
Nobody appointed you over me to say what is qualified. If you have a point, make it. I am not the issue at all.
Here is what Abe wanted done about slavery.
His plan was to float bonds to raise the funds to deport all blacks to other countries. The payment to the Farmers was enormous and that in part was why he did not accomplish that.

I will sum up fast why Abe was our worst president of all time.

4 years of bloody fighting he had the authority and power to never commence. Nobody forced him to wage war. Nobody forced him to exterminate over 630,000 American lives.
What good did it do Abe to make the South his enemy? Tell me how well his life turned out?

Abe was a tall man. And you should visit where he died and see the tiny bed he was in when expiring.

 

Are you bragging that the Democrats failed two times in their mission to overthrow the president?
Trump is not the only president to lose his second try to be president. Why mention the popular vote since that has never at any time in any election decided elections. States are particular governments each of them a complete government. So the electors are there to represent a state.

 

If mean tweets and political correctness is at top of this list, he is worst president

in terms of results, one of the best ever

1. Record unemployment, even for minorities, directly to do with his pro private sector policies
2. For the first time in decades, there was peace around the world. His approach was strike fear in enemies and crush them but not commit to long lasting wars. He even tamed Nk leader, silenced Iran, crushed ISIS, taught assad a lesson - no crossing of red lines. At the same time he was keeping enemies at bay, paralyzed in fear, he was withdrawing troops and not committing to long lasting wars
3. Re-built military, which dems want to castrate so they can give stuff for free. China is building a mighty military, dems want to decimate military, not caring about repercussions decades from now
4. His pro energy policies led to america being energy independent. The dems, meanwhile, want to reduce drilling in federal lands, curb emissions by going after oil and gas, kill pipelines. The end result is what we see today, oil price going up, impacting americans and making us more dependent on opec. For those who say today’s issues have nothing to do with Biden, that it’s supply chain, weather etc.. STOP. It has to do with biden, 100% as he refuses to increase production or support policies which will be effective countermeasures.
5. Fixed VA.. which was a mess, there was no accountability
6. His administration played a very very important role in giving us vaccines in record speed. Those who claim operation warp speed had no role are frauds and losers who don’t want to admit it. The trump administration provided incentives for vaccine producers to take risks in spending on rapid development of vaccine, this absolutely played a massive role in moderna’s successes, as an example. It was also how government assisted in other areas, mobilizing sectors to ensure proper distribution and production necessities were in place. Red tape was cut
7. Fixed the border by securing it and curtailing illegal immigration, it’s now a disaster after biden assumed office
8. Re-negotiated trade deals, better deals for america and got tough on china (other administrations talked the talk, didn’t walk the walk)
9. Criminal justice reform. Not obama and his social justice fraudulent DOJ, it was trump who signed it into law. He worked directly with people pushing for it
10. Advanced pro-US, patriotic ideals, curbing racist and toxic educational programs which sought to teach kids lies about american history (1619 project) and brainwash kids regarding race (critical race theory), teaching kids race matters more than merit or individual contributions.

and more..

Without a doubt, one of the most effective presidents in our history…. There is a reason why dems couldn’t beat him on policy prescriptions but rather fabricate nonsense like russia collusion ( now known to have been a sham), back sham impeachments and resort to creating a charicature of him as being second coming of hitler. The dems immediately realized what an effective president he was and resorted to desperate measures to save their party from extinction. They couldn’t
beat him on policy and needed fake media to collude with them in their attempted coup of president trump. They made it all about character, tweets, shams, identity politics… and media were their enablers.

 

Lol...sez the guy with the Godwin's law avatar.

 

Not in those exact words, but he said it just the same, they know it and they are flocking here because of it. Who are going to take care of them, educate them?

www.breitbart.com › politics › 2019/08/09Watch - Joe Biden: U.S. Can 'in a Heartbeat' Import 2M More ...
Specifically, Biden said the U.S. can “in a heartbeat” import another two million immigrants today. We could afford to take in a heartbeat another two million people. The idea that a country of 330

 

Wrong again. Your first sentence proves it. I have absolutely no allegiance to either corrupt party. At this point in the era of Trumpism and the gutless, corrupt leadership of the entire GOP, I have no choice but to oppose Trump and the whole stinking GOP at this time. I would have definitely supported Romney, Kasich, Sasse, Johnson, Weld or any reasonable non Trumpist Republican in the last 2 elections. I have no allegiance nor am I delusional or obsessed with conman Trump. I am and always have been an Independent voter as well as an independent thinker.

 

I am a Trump supporter. Not like many other Republicans that can't see his faults, he has many of them. I have pointed out much of them. But one fault he doesn't have is loving this country and trying to do what is right by it. He reversed almost everything Obama did to make his economy and recovery the worst one in 50 years. Turned it into one of the best economies in the world in just three years, right up to having the virus hit us. Fixed our military that was falling apart. Fixed our VA where over the years hundreds have died just trying to get in and get good care. Yes in three years minorities saw the lowest unemployment in their history. The middle class saw the highest wage gain in their history. Bad trades were redone. Got NATO to finally put in their fair share. When China threatened to withhold ingredients needed in over 40% of our most vital medicines if we didn't give into them on trade, Trump gave Kodak a 800 million loan to make those ingredients here in America. Said America should never have to rely on other nations when millions of lives are at stake. It also created over 500 more jobs. There is a who page I could put down that Trump did in just four years and that's why I support him. Not because he thinks he is the greatest thing sense apple pie. His personality stinks. He talks like a fifth grader. He trashes those he disagrees with. There is so much more not to like about him, but he got the job done. He turned this economy completely around from the disastrous direction that Obama was taking us. Brought wages up and fixed many of our most neediest projects and did it all in just 4 years. I'll put up with all his faults for all his successes