WATCH LIVE: Public Impeachment Hearings (Hill/Holmes)

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can see how someone who has problems reading past headlines might come to that conclusion.

    If I need help in being wrong I know who to go to for help.
     
  2. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL throwing up bullshit clay pigeon reasons for impeachment to shoot down. I bet you hit 100% of your targets.
     
  3. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    its obvious yours do.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Apparently men can have periods.
     
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    RP12 Well-Known Member

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    So Biden bragged about a conspiracy?
    The head of Burisma fled the country over a conspiracy?
    CloudStrike did not check the servers?

    What the hell are you babbling about?

    Let me guess the existence of the CFR is a Russian Conspiracy as well yah?
     
  6. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Yourself. We know.
     
  7. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1. mea culpa.
    2. I blame all corrupt politicians regardless of partisanship. No moral twisting required.

    I notice you seem to be twisting your morals into something resembling a rat nest in ignoring the BLATANT corruption of Republicans and Trump.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    obviously you would know.
     
  9. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see you took a trumpian sex education class.
     
  10. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're right. The idea of anti-missile sites in Eastern Europe was a Bush-Cheney idea, with the lame argument that they were to protect Eastern & Western Europe (including Russia) from a Iranian nuclear missile attack. Putin saw through it and accused the U.S. of threatening Russia, with the sites directed more against a potential Russian attack against European NATO countries. Obama's early position was to basically agree with Putin's perspective. It was in the "Reset Era" and Obama had had some success in obtaining Putin's help in Syria and in conjunction with the Iranian agreement on rejoining the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Pact, which they'd left, but never renounced. This was the background to Obama's open microphone comment to the Russian President about "tell Vlad I can bring this up after the election."
    Obama's position on Russia shifted with Putin's continuing move toward Russian totalitarianism, primarily the Russian invasion of Crimea and the eastern Ukrainian border areas, dominated by ethnic Russian populations, plus the increasing Putin terrorism against journalists and political opponents. It did not shift to the point of advocating "lethal weapons" to Ukraine. I suspect that initially Obama thought that such could drag the U.S. and NATO into a direct confrontation with Russia and that based on his earlier cooperation with Putin, a negotiated peace and Russian withdrawal from Ukraine could be negotiated.
    However, initially, neither did the GOP favor "arms to Ukraine." It was not on the GOP 2016 Presidential Election platform. Senator Ted Cruz offered an amendment to the platform calling for "lethal weapons" to Ukraine. At the last minute, someone removed the amendment and the GOP Platform, upon which Donald Trump ran for President, did NOT call for lethal weapons being provided to Ukraine. At the time, it was rumored that it was Paul Manafort who succeeded in removing the Cruz amendment, via pressure on the RNC.
    Subsequently, the U.S. Republican majority Congress over came the lack of such a resolution on Ukrainian weapon aid, and Trump, increasingly being accused of "Russian Collusion," accepted the resolution. But, there were caveats. The Javelins could only be used defensively and were not to be kept in "combat zones" notably, after the Crimean annexation, in the eastern border regions. I understand that remains the case today.
    Given the President's lack of communications security with "his man in Ukraine" - EU Ambassador Sondland - I'd guess that the Russians know the exact location of every Javelin anti-tank missile we've sent.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Russian puppet Obama supporter Russian puppet Jonsa spews lame Russian puppet denials in defense of Russian puppet Obama and fails to refute historic facts of Dear Leader Russian puppet Obama kissing his Russian puppet master Putin's arse. In review:

    HISTORIC FACT: Russian puppet Obama canceled Bush's missile defense system in Eastern Europe because Russian puppet Obama didn't want to provoke his Russian puppet masters.

    HISTORIC FACT: Russian puppet Obama mocked Mitt Romney's provocative statement that Russia was "our number one geopolitical foe".

    HISTORIC FACT: Russian puppet Obama told his Russian puppet master Putin that he would be more flexible after the election.

    HISTORIC FACT: Russian puppet Obama refused to honor the security commitments the U.S. made to Ukraine in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum after his Russian puppet master Putin began seizing Ukrainian territory.

    BONUS HISTORIC FACT: Russian puppet Obama good Iranian puppet, too.
     
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    I don't need to twist either since I accept the world for what it is.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh knowwwsss, the dread "I know you are but what am I" counter! Wait!
     
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    The comparison is the difference between night and day when it comes to Russia. Trump is hard on Russia, Obama was more flexible after the election.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even before the election Obama & Co. were sucking up to the Kremlin...

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    By the way, great new signature you've got there.. :beer:
     
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    No, Biden never bragged about a conspiracy because there was no conspiracy. Conspiracies are usually covert and hidden from public view like the conspiracy Trump, Pompeo, Barr, Giuliani, Sondland and Perry committed by extorting a foreign government to interfere with our election.

    Incidentally, if you want to at least pretend to know what you're talking about, you might want to get the names right, it's 'CrowdStrike' not 'Cloudstrike'.
     
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    It was always pretty much a forgone conclusion that the Senate wouldn't convict no matter what the House came up with for evidence. It may even have a negative impact for the democrats in the 2020 elections. It still needed to be done, and I'm glad that they did it.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    exactly I am so glad I was able to get down to your level in order to communicate effectively.


    Cheers.
     
  20. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not at all surprised you predicate such a ridiculous perspective on partisan bigotry because I totally understand how difficult it is to actually accept facts.
     
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    Obama-no lethal aid to Ukraine after Russia crossed Obama’s red line.

    Trump-lethal aid provided before and after the current clown show narrative.

    Night and day.
     
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    And there it is again LMFAO

    "I know you are but what am"
     
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    Of that I have no doubt! Truth has a strange way of sneaking out when one least expects it ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    I wrote what you wrote....

    So i can post Bidens own words but you will rant about conspiracies so have a nice rest of the weekend.. Enjoy barking at the moon.
    "Biden/Burisma/CloudStrike conspiracy."

    Your.... words... eat... crow.
     
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  25. Jonsa

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    boy are you quick on the uptake.
     

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