Germans have watched the German-Greece match in a pup in Athens and this is their little report: It was not the 1:0 for Germany that made the Greeks angry, but Merkel in the stadium, who celebrated the goal with the Germans. They started to shout! "Buh Merkel!" "F#@k Merkel". Some Greeks started a chorus: "I hate Germans, I hate Germans,..." When the Greeks scored the first time and made the 1:1, they fall into a frenetic jubilation as if they would have won the tournament already. Then the German artillery put the Greeks in their place and they got really angry. Glasses got broken, chairs flew around and the Germans were ordered not to celebrate "too loud". Well, Thomas Kiaos, Greek citizen of Athens, was happy that his team did not win. After Greece´s victory over Russia, right wing extremists went hunting immigrants at the Omonia plaza, he said.
Congratulations to Germany! That's sad to see that some people offend other country for football... Germany, Angela Merkel, have help a lot Greeks.
We just didn't had enough Turks, Tunisians , Poles and Panamese in out team . Next time try to present a full squad made of Mehmets it will be amusing , Germans .
Sad but true. But we are not the only one. I have counted the white players of the French team some years ago and the result was 3.
'' Sad but true '' This explains the reason why Turks in Germany can't be integrated succsessfully. Mesut Born in Germany, while he speaks German as native language he can't speak Turkish well. He is a proffessionel that he choose German national team because he is German. Only to have a Turkish blood and his religion is coming from Turkish roots. But you don't accept him as a succsessful integration, even if he is one of the best footballer of the world and he never makes speecs that he is Turkish. Mesut scored goal aganist Turkey and played perfect under Germany jersey in elemination matches. And he deserves ''sad but true'' ? I say for your comment ''sad but true''... About the Greeks aganist to Germany team; Greeks are Mediterranean and before match Germany Press made many procative news, such as ''Greece will not stay in Euro 2012 as long as they stay in EU''. And we are aware of the problem between Germany and Greece. So this is not a nice movement but beleive me except some elitist rich regions, in any part of Mediterranean you will see the same result in this kind of atmosphere.
Do not believe that one German poster speaks for all Germans. I know another German poster who is his polar opposite. From what I have read racists are a small minority in Germany. Ignore the few.
Turks mustn´t tell me what is correct. While you claim for more readiness for integration from the European, especially the German people, you are the most nationalist country on the globe. There will never be a player in the Turkish national team, who has foreign roots. You even mark foreigners on serial number plates. No foreigner has a permanent right of residence in Turkey and there are 50 professions that are for Turkish poeple only, such like lawyer and taxi driver. You teach me? You do not accept "Mesut" as Turk, telling us, he´s a German, but you blame me on that? Germany belongs to the Germans, my friend. So you tell, that I am a racist and should be ignored? This is fascism. Oh yes, I use your weapons against you, hypocritical do-gooders, or better: good-for-nothings.
You were, when you said that it was so sad that there were so many back people in the French Football team. You also spoke of displeasure of people of other ethnicities being in your football team. Now, Haydar made the mistake of equating you with all Germans and that was what I was advising him to ignore you on. To my knowledge you represent only a small minority. Whether you are a fascist I have yet to see but that you mention it may be a clue. Of course I could easily have used the term 'ethnic nationalism' instead. Here let me allow another to explain where my reasoning comes from as you clearly have no understanding [video=youtube;OP-FX32GJ94]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP-FX32GJ94[/video] You can further educate yourself on the relationship with 'racism' and colonialism he mentions in the video page 24 Islamophobia and Hispanophobia: How They Came Together in the Euro-American Imagination Walter D. Mignolo http://www.thecordobafoundation.com/attach/ARCHES_Vol 4_Edition 7.PDF
You forget something. We are talking about the French "national team". National team. Not colonial team.
I do not deffence Turkish state and goverments, you are the one belive that Germany is superior, i never had an idea like this for Turkey and i am brave enough to critisize my country...So don't tell me i am ultra nationalist, I am responsible from myself here. On the other hand i didn't blame Germans to be fa(*)(*)(*)(*)s but there is a mentality, ''sad but true'' idea. As you have this in Turkey, many people have this too. On the other hand Turkish National Team had footballers without Turkish origin too such as ''Marco Aurello'' who was Brazilian, ''Lefter Küçükandonyadis'' who was captain of Turkish National Team and has a monument in Istanbul. I would be glad if Mesut would choose Turkish National Team and I would put him to top in my mind however for him It would be a wrong movement. He had to choose Germany NT because he is a succsessful German Citizen. So this means i choose him but he didn2t choose Turkey which everybody have to respec. I jump to another issue; I am working here for a very famous German Compay. We have 3th biggest factory of this company in Europe and we make great job here. We export the products with label of made in Germany and made in Turkey. This is a win-win event. This German company doesn't make investment because they adore Turks. They made this investment by buying another Turkish Company which was competitor to them in the region, so if they wouldn't make this investment, there was a Turkish company would do the same. I mean nobady paying, making investments e.g for humanity or help. This is the same in Greece or Turkey or anywhere in the wrold. I respect German dicipline on the other hand nobady have to thank to Germany for something. At the attachment, newspaper with title ''Turkey for Turks'' is from a private newspaper, this is not the main law book of Turkey. Anyway here who ever says that he is Turkish people accept him as Turkish. they don't say ''sad but true''. We have some other problem to solve here, Turkey needs many revisions. Before you critisize the permanent right for residence Germany should let Turkish turist to enter country just to trawel, it is still very difficult and impossible for some Turkish people.
No I was quite aware of that. The concept of racism may have been born out of colonialism as you would have seen if you had read the article provided. Racism itself is not restricted to people only if within the colonised country or only towards people who your own country has colonised. Racism came from the Spanish history of breeding horses. http://www.thecordobafoundation.com/attach/ARCHES_Vol 4_Edition 7.PDF You judge the French Football team as being French by 'blood line' as seen by skin colour.Your need for white people to be the only people to represent France, just as the persecution of people of all minorities in Nazi Germany comes from a deliberate colonial rationalisation to justify capitalisms bad treatment of those it wished to 'master'. A black citizen of France, brought up or adapting French culture is French. You are still are applying Capitalist colonial constructs to dehumanise others. We are all human. We are not different kinds of deliberately bred horses.
It is kind of funny if you think that the French went there and annexed those people 's lands and now they are accusing them that they are not "proper" French .
Your lessons about "racism" have nothing to do with the topic here. Just because France once had colonies down there, all the blacks ain´t French. They have their own identity and even the blacks in France ain´t French, the "upraise" (I mean the destruction orgy) in France some years ago, showed well that the blacks separate themselfs from the French population. And when we talk about racism: What about the French players, who had no chance to join the national team just because they are white? Your definition of racism is absurd. It blames only whites and portrays only non whites as victims.
they are answering your posts. If someone has removed the thread from topic then it is surely you. I suggest you read my previous posts again and the article provided. This just sounds like gibberish. Oh please, you will need to provide evidence that France has a policy to only allow a small quote of whites in her football team rather than, as I am sure is the case, choosing on merit. I did not give a definition of racism. I described how the term came into being and it's purpose. Try to read and learn. It is just saying history. It was created by white European Capitalist colonialists in order to justify subordination and exploitation of other humans that is true as to the history. It's quite interesting because before they had known Muslims and Jews and now the new people they encountered were neither. It was not the way the Ancient Greeks or even the Ottomans saw others, no it was European Whites. Being used to us and them via religion and assuming these people had no religion, race, or Spanish horse breeding was what came to mind as a way of creating another us and them. Time to let go of false knowledge I think.
I do not see any sense here. Why do I always have the burden of proof, whether I talk about "beneficiaries" or victims? You work your would out, as you like it to be. You are not here in the real world.
It is how political forums work. It is not just on your imagination. If you state something like it is totally appropriate to ask you to provide evidence that 'white' French players are being denied the right to play for France because they are white. Otherwise you are just playing make believe. The real world is what is true. If white French Footballers are being denied the right to play in the French Team because they are white, then clearly you can provide evidence for this. If not you are just making it up.
Yes, the do-gooders are always right by nature. They do not need to prove something. Only the evil racists have to prove what they say The evidence is already produced but you ignore it. France has currently a population of 65 million. Thereof 3,8 million are black. So France is a white nation. Why were there so many blacks in the national team? Just imagine, it would be the other way round and the blacks were the majority but the 8 of 11 players were white. You would be the first who would push the racism button, but when whites are unprivileged you want to see an evidence like a child abuser derisively asks for an evidence before I shoot his face away. Your hypocrisy is insufferable.
<<<mod edit>>> No France is a nation for all her citizens. The best footballers are no doubt chosen for her football team. To suggest that France deliberately chooses to put into her team the less good players is ridiculous. <<<mod edit>>> You are making a mistake in not understanding the difference between equality of opportunity and merit. It is to be assumed that France gives the same opportunity to all her people to become footballers and that at the moment the top ones are apparently black. The important thing is they are FRENCH.
<<<mod edit>>> flaming in this context You know that this is not true. They were in the team because of their color. They ain´t French. I already have explained this. And we are talking about a previous team. It just ludicrous that people, who deny any nationality suddenly claim for the nationality of someones. Your are full of contradictions.
This isn't correct. Look at the French team. Steve Mandanda (Born in DR Congo) Patrice Evra (Born in Senegal) Adil Rami (Moroccan Corsican) Karim Benzema (Born in Greece to Algerian parents) Of course in your above quote you are talking about civic nationalism a mans national identity being no more than what it says on his passport.
French citizen French citizen raised in France French citizen moved to Fréjus as a youth apparently born in Lyon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karim_Benzema Looks like all these people were French raised and are French citizens. Yes, it is true I believe in civic Nationalism not ethnic nationalism. I do not belong to any far right neo nazi group nor support it. You can see that by law these people all have French Nationality and citizenship. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_nationality_law Just like in the UK when a person is granted citizenship, nationality comes along with it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Barnes_(footballer) Of course it is not uncommon for people for the first generation to have dual citizenship. Although I have never taken it up I have freedom to take up Irish Citizenship at any time I wish. Likewise my daughter who was born in London and spent the first seven years of her life there will become a Scottish citizen and national if Scotland goes for Independence. Unless your only belief in Nationality is ethnicity, then clearly the people you mentioned are French, maybe not born there and maybe having dual citizenship but raised there and citizens of France and likely their children will live there and be nationals of for the foreseeable future unless you would like to see some kind of purging of supposed 'non Aryans' from Europe. That has already been tried and the results seen.
<<<edited, flaming and response>>> You made claims that the French were deliberately discriminating against white people in the selection for their National team. Despite being asked you could provide no evidence to support this paranoid view. You know where there is a forum which suits those of your racist view. You will find only a very few here. Of interest, I did decide to have a look at the French team and what I found was in reality the opposite of what you had said. Far from their being a deliberate attempt to deny white French people a place on the team, their had been rather suggestions of the opposite. So your information is lies and clearly that was the reason you could provide no source for it.
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