Way to go Virginia

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  1. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Active Member

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    Bill passed...
    “The bill expands who can perform first trimester abortions to include, in addition to physicians, physician's assistants licensed by the Board of Medicine, and nurse practitioners or certified nurse midwives jointly licensed by the Board of Medicine and the Board of Nursing. The bill eliminates all the procedures and processes, including the performance of an ultrasound, required to effect a pregnant person's informed written consent to the performance of an abortion"
    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/reaga...slature-passes-radical-abortion-bill-n2561821
     
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  2. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Why does a pregnant woman wanting an abortion require an ultrasound? There's no medical reason as far as I can tell.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    An important small detail many people are not noticing here, just like with the recent law change in New York, this will effectively allow late-term abortion of any reason because a doctor will no longer be required to certify that the abortion was for "health reasons". (That is there is no doctor at risk of losing his medical license)

    Thus it is rather an extremist law.
     
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  4. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Active Member

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    According to conservative logic...
    "HB980 is a step toward unlimited, unrestricted abortion regardless of trimester."!!!!
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can only guess that if it is an ectopic pregnancy, many on this new list are not qualified to do the procedure.
     
  6. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Your GP isn't qualified to do open heart surgery, but that doesn't mean you don't stop by the office as a first step.
     
  7. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Sounds good to me (even though it's not true).
     
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    That has nothing to do with my statement. You said you couldn't think of a medical reason for an ultrasound.
     
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    For requiring ultrasound.
     
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    I think a law requiring women that have had an abortion have a big capital letter A tattooed on their forehead warning men that they are dealing with a woman that has the capacity to kill her unborn child. Just as a warning to men. If she can kill her unborn child, she can damn sure kill you in your sleep. Just putting it all in perspective for you guys.
     
  11. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Active Member

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    I'm not sure if that encourage or dissuade a potential impregnater.
     
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    No it doesn’t. The existing law has three sections, each covering first, second and third trimester abortions respectively. This change to who can perform abortions only applies to the first trimester and it doesn’t alter any of the existing laws on the legal reasons for abortion at any stage (which only has the “health reasons” restriction for the third trimester).
     
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    Why is the elimination of ultrasounds such an amazingly awesome thing?
     
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    The New York law doesn't permit late term abortion for any reason does it? It's for any HEALTH reason, where as before it was when the woman's life was at risk.
     
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    Of course there's no medical reason for it.
     
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    For later term abortions, sometimes they want to locate the exact position of the fetus, so they can make sure they are grasping it properly. If they don't grasp and position it properly, there's a greater likelihood of something going wrong, that could be increased chance of perforating the woman's uterus, or fetal pieces coming off and risk of them not being all taken out during the procedure, which can lead to serious medical issues.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It depends on how you define "permit". When you use that type of language, you are getting into semantics.
    A law can end up practically permitting something it says is illegal, or sometimes even criminalize something it does not say is illegal.
    Reality can be a little more complicated than simple-minded people want to think.

    I'll try to explain it a little bit more for you, if you're still not getting it.
    How does a law stop something? Just because a law says you should do this, that alone does not automatically stop it.
    The law in this case makes it totally unrealistic that anyone will ever be held to account or punished for it.
    Think about it. You have some lower level abortion worker who is not medically qualified to know if it is really for health reasons, but the law permits her to do that.
    And even in the unlikely event she did lose her license over it (which is not going to happen), that is still far less of a disincentive than a doctor losing his license, who has far more invested into his profession.
     
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    Why would every woman seeking an abortion be required to have an ultrasound?

    "Although ultrasound imaging is generally considered safe when used prudently by appropriately trained health care providers, ultrasound energy has the potential to produce biological effects on the body. Ultrasound waves can heat the tissues slightly. In some cases, it can also produce small pockets of gas in body fluids or tissues (cavitation). The long-term consequences of these effects are still unknown."

    https://www.fda.gov/radiation-emitting-products/medical-imaging/ultrasound-imaging
     
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    Isn't the law only relating to who can PERFORM an abortion?
     
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    No it is confined to first trimester abortions
     
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    Does the law really allow that?

    Please post a link then to the relevant legislation

    Meanwhile Virginia may well become the state for medical tourism
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We've already had this discussion in another thread, about the recent law change in New York.
    Late-term abortion made LEGAL in NYS

    Obviously the law does not have to explicitly say it allows something to allow it.
     
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    Isn't the law only relating to who can PERFORM an abortion?
     
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    Tell you what. If the law says that any homeless person off the street can perform an abortion, but only if they think it is for appropriate "health" reasons, do you think that law will make sure abortions only happen for appropriate health reasons, when the woman's life or health is seriously in danger?

    That's almost a little bit comparable to taking a medication and making it no longer a prescription medication but now an off-the-shelf medication.
     
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  25. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Active Member

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    No, no matter the reason, the law is such that the woman will not longer be pregnant, in he first term, in a safe way and that is different than self prescibing medication of prescription medication which is not.
     
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