We don't need no educashun...

That's why I'm always looking for context, different points of view, and more context. Corroborating all the available information from biased sources on all sides, we can begin to comprehend the naked facts.

 

Feel free to substantiate your claim that Stalinist ideology is flourishing in the USA, and be specific.

The reason I ask you for substantiation is curiosity, given that I've been a democrat since the 60s, for most of those years, and I don't recall myself ever supporting Stalinism on anything, nor do any democrat/liberal I now, do, either, nor do I recall it being advocated in all my schooling from elementary all the way up through college. I do recall that my poly sci professor was a moderate republican. I do acknowledge that I've observed reports in certain ivy league colleges about suppression of free speech, and punishing anyone that didn't tow the line about certain issues. This, of course, is wrong, and Bill Maher had a guest on last night who wrote a book about it. Maher criticizes colleges on this point all the time. It's not a thing with us old school liberals, that is certain.

 

I think you said it quite well. Small minds in weak people dislike those who think for themselves. It intimidates them.

 

Palestinians are native Gazans too. The ancestors of many Muslim Gazans were Jewish who converted. Muslim Palestinians didn't suddenly get beamed into Palestine, their ancestors already lived there

 

I'm not talking about democrats, or political parties, or liberals.

The topic is too complex for a post. I'll just highlight a few things.

Look at the polarization in the US right now, mostly around race. The seed was planted long ago by the Soviet Union, through virulent anti-American and anti-western propaganda in various parts of the world.

In their quest for political and economic power, the Soviets couldn't match civilized democratic countries. Their solution was a campaign of delegitimization and demonization of the Western world, presenting them as corrupt, unstable, and colonialist warmongers. Countries with a white majority of European descent were thus deemed enemies of mankind, oppressors of all other races. BLM riots, for instance, are a direct consequence of the Soviet delegitimization campaign against white Europeans and Americans.

Ilhan Omar is another perfect example of how the Soviet manipulation efforts taught people of color to blame their failures on racism. Any criticism of Ilhan Omar triggers accusations of racism and Islamophobia not only from Omar herself but from her supporters as well.

Racism, of course, exists, that's undeniable, but it exists on all sides, from all sides to all sides, not exclusively from whites to people of color.

Soviet delegitimization campaign entered the American education system through foreign donations. Rich Arab countries funded American and European universities, including prestigious institutions that are now in the eye of the ongoing ugly racist storm. It was in the donors' interest to push the Soviet-inspired delegitimization of white people of European descent, strengthening their grip on Western minds and hearts.

Here are some sources, you can find more with google:
https://www.meforum.org/campus-watch/21167/how-to-turn-a-campus-into-an-indoctrination
https://idfi.ge/en/soviet_roots_of_anti_western_propaganda
https://english.alarabiya.net/featu...-to-US-institutions-to-gain-dubious-influence

 

Proof?

 

Most people understand that the Palestinians need their own state. One would think that other Arab nations would find ways to create that other than destroying Israel- but it's also complicated by the fact that Palestinians see their state as Israel, and aren't interested in anything else. Before 1922 Jordan was Palestine, and at least through 2015 (last update, may have changed) nearly every Arab living on the West Bank of the Jordan River could still claim citizenship in Jordan. They are subjects of the Jordanian king.

This land has been conquered and torn apart many times over history, and it has important religious connections to many peoples. However it was Israel long before it was Palestine, and a variety of people have roots there. But if they can't get along together peacefully, the only answer is to get along separately- and the fight is about who gets to stay; complicated by where those who don't can go. At one time, there was a proposal to create a Palestinian state in the Sinai Peninsula, which seems like a sound solution, but that fell apart. Jordan is turning away Palestinians as refugees.

One thing certain is that terrorism is not going to resolve the problem and that other Arab nations need to find a way for Palestinians to have their own state. They have vast lands, and could do so if they chose.

 

It's pretty bad, but it only got this way because parents had no idea what was being taught in schools until Covid, when kids were sent home and parents got to see what was really going on in their zoom classes. There was a parent's revolt after that which made a real political difference in some areas, although the rot runs so deep it might never be cleared out.

 

Classic case of unintended consequences.

 

I've looked at your sources and frankly ... I don't trust them. On close inspection they advocate "a hidden agenda" of elitest RW policy calling everything and everyone they disagree with Socialist,Communist or the current catch all LEFTY. The one the spurred me to take a close look at what you've been posting extolled the "greatness" of Carroll Quigley who was a mouth piece for the attacks on Roosevelt's New Deal policies that finally gave common Americans a place in political America. And for which they demonized President Roosevelt as a traitor to his class.

The more people are educated the less they believe in the RW elitism position that government is a failure that's only has the goal of controlling and subjecting. Which isn't true and is the greatest source of divisiveness in our nation. You've twisted the message of the OEA facebook page, I don't agree that they "know what they're doing is not allowed" and they are grinding an ax of indoctrination. Quite the opposite, they message is that while, as educators, they must present an unbiased view, as INDIVIDUALS they can take a stand against injustice, which is allowed by their contract.

Your thread title is perfect, extolling ignorance is the current RW agenda against their certain demise if Americans are allowed to become educated.

 

So, how has it been for you, living life intimidated?

 

The seed was planted longer before the Soviet Union ever existed. That seed was planted ever since the European countries, after discovering Africa began to describe races and then try to discount certain races, especially dark Africans. This was done by the British, Belgians, French, and Germans, who all had a hand in the continent of Africa. For US History, it has been a problem since we first arrived. If you look at the US Constitution, before the 13th Amendment came into existence, the legal document eliminated two groups of people that lived within our borders. They were blacks and Native Americans. We used to race in everything from immigration to citizenship to whatever in the past 250 years. At times it got better and at times it got worse. And today, we are repeating history because certain people have not learned from history. We saw this in Florida with HB 7 and other laws. We see this in education in how we teach slavery the history of slavery in the US, or with our founding fathers. We have Project 1619 which is just as bad as Project 1776 for pretty much the same reasons. We do this with science from evolution to climate change. We do this with social studies classes which we don't teach geography properly anymore.

The ironic thing is if I took my great grandmother's 8th-grade semester test and gave that to most 8th-graders today, most will not pass. Math would have been a farmer's version of the ideas with amounts, products, and formulation. Words, geography, and history would be similar. Most people cannot name their city council, state rep, state senator, US rep, or even US senator. Most still don't know what the House and the Senate do or how the government functions, or how the judicial system functions. We teach them the theories such as "innocent until proven guilty" but not the details. And then we have legislatures who try to use politics and the education system to further their agendas one way or the other, which is causing the problems with teacher shortages that we currently have. And yes, it is a very serious problem we have. And that is because most people do not treat educators right. They are the baastard children, the black sheep, the crazy ass uncle or aunt, that we don't want the rest of the family to invite for Thanksgiving or Christmas type of things.

And then we try to manipulate test scores so that we can show the world our children are not stupid. Those children get a life education when they leave these shores and go somewhere outside the US besides sightseeing. I want more of our students to go internationally for a year or even a semester to another country like Germany or Japan to learn and get a perspective of a worldview on certain things. Have a German high schooler talk to an American high schooler on their perspective of what it meant to be a Nazi in the 1930s. Or have an American high schooler talk to a British high Schooler on the War of Insurrection/War of Independence perspective. Or have a Japanese High Schooler talk to an American high Schooler on what it meant to have an Atomic bomb drop on your country? But we won't do that because we want to teach myths, not realities in high school, And those myths come from the ideological agendas that both sides try to teach.

 

The OEA has not decided to brainwash children. These lessons you noted...

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/e/2PACX-1vTGX9wjjqX4S2Au0c8gFe5ir18Ex6Tw73pcezd5VQxj5hph0MJVHeQh-VqtQ6PCPa1QtQg2Woxe0_ue/pub?pli=1​

... aren't even on the OEA website.

On top of it, the K-3 lessons are hopelessly incompetent, age-inappropriate and biased. There's no evidence the Oakland Education Association (aka "teachers' union") endorses the curriculum created by a group of Oakland teachers.

Any teacher who would use those lessons must want to teach hopelessly bored and disengaged kids.

They cobbled together resources developed by biased sources. Most of what I saw looks like propaganda developed by people who don't teach.

I agree. Just know most teachers aren't part of what you correctly see as biased instruction, even in a more leftwing place like Oakland.

 

Eastern Europe and the Balkans had been under Ottoman rule for centuries. The atrocities committed by Ottomans against white Europeans are very well documented. Should white Europeans hate Turks? Are white Europeans an oppressed category?

Black Africans have been enslaved by Arabs for centuries, and still are in some places. Let's talk about Arab privilege then, shall we?

I know Soviet propaganda inside out. Soviet efforts to make Western societies look bad engendered today's discourse about white guilt and white privilege.

 

There are two links in my post.

This link
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/edit
takes you to a page with the headline Educational Resources on Palestine Gathered & Created by Members of the Oakland Education Association. Scroll down to Read Alouds and Art Making Lessons on the left side of the first table (third item). Click on the item. You'll be redirected to the page in the second link.

As far as I know, the Oakland County school district doesn't endorse the linked materials, but the OEA doesn't care. The statement on OEA's Facebook page clearly shows their agenda:
https://www.facebook.com/OaklandEA/...aLEmxZ568HUrYGdZhcqaKaXtWfoPRwBJzYHsa46rnkLBl

It's BDS-style propaganda, yes.

I hope you're right. However, after the horrendous antisemitic activism in prestigious American universities has been exposed, I'm no longer inclined to dismiss such activities as local and non-threatening.

 

That's not true. I'd suggest researching how Israel was formed. It's an interesting story.

 

It's not "antisemitic" to point out the injustices that Palestinians have endured since the creation of Israel.

 

They're union members, not the union executive committee. The statement about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is weasel wording. It reflects the concern of liberals and independents that Israel is going too far in Gaza.

Their agenda is maintaining union solidarity at all costs. They aren't demanding the U.S. stop supporting Israel.

Anyway, there's no doubt many teachers are sympathetic to the Palestinians, at least in getting a ceasefire. The Israelis are losing the propaganda battle with some people because Netanyahu has used bloodthirsty rhetoric when the could have explained why Israel has no choice but to go after Hamas.

There's a lot of suspicion Netanyahu is trying to get Palestinians to emigrate. But... Jordan said they won't take more Palestinians and Egypt won't take Gazans because Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. Netanyahu has 5+m Palestinians on his hands he'll have to deal with. Ehud Barak wants him to work with the PA. A lot of Israelis are upset with Netanyahu for a lot of reasons.

American youth are restless. They need hope they can have a nice place to live, food on the table, decent medical care, good daycare and schooling for their children. and a few luxuries. Home price increases, paying for student loans are squeezing a generation.

 

Oakland has been a hot bed of leftist lunacy since the Sixties. t

 

It is, since most of the accusations are lies.

 

That is a lie.

 

You missed this little gem from their statement on Facebook:
"What’s more, any educators who face disciplinary actions based on their teaching will have the full support of the Association and OEA leadership."

Isn't OEA leadership the union executive committee?

Concerns of liberals and independents should remain out of classrooms. The statement says the exact opposite.

Barak is irrelevant, Netanyahu is not a dictator, and several political parties from the opposition are cooperating with the government right now to defeat Hamas in Gaza. The Islamist party Raam supports the war against Hamas. Israeli politics is a lot more complicated than "Netanyahu, Netanyahu, Netanyahu".

Israel doesn't have to explain anything. The world needs to explain to Israel why is a terrorist organization bent on destroying Israel still supported by the international community after October 7th.

 

Nope.

 

How does that justify calls for the genocide of Jews in your top universities?

 

“Most accusations against Israel are lies; is a lie. Since Israel’s inception there has been a constant back and forth between Israel and the Palestinians. Many Palestinians and their descendants have been refugees since the very first Arab - Israeli war.

No one’s denying the need and right of Israel to exist as a nation. But Israel has kept and encouraged settlement of lands they do not own.

There is plenty of fault on both sides, but to claim “most” Palestinian grievances are “lies”; is a lie.