We need to develop a list of Trump's failures and lies.

The promise will have been kept when the wall is built solely on Mexico's dime. Last I heard he was asking for $5+ billion from US congress to build it.

 

Even if you think Mexico will deliver pallets of gold bars, or cut an actual physical check for the amount, it would still go into the US Treasury, and Congress would have to allocate the money.

 

1) Unilateral trade deficits don't matter. They aren't actual, monetary deficits. 2) Where are you getting your data about us enjoying our largest trade surplus ever? That's not even remotely true.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade

 

I'm not sure how much faith you can put into those numbers, since we have had very tough ongoing trade negotiations over the past two years, including tariffs. It's been quite a roller coaster with heads of state, chest pumping and butting heads. In other words, a lot more factors have been in play which affect trade than can be plotted out on a graph as if it were just another typical year by year comparison.

 

Those tariffs are as unconstitutional as they are foolish, but yes, there are more factors. Over all, we've been on a downward trend on trade balance under the Trump presidency. Not that it really matters that much except under Trumpian zero-sum foolishness. The notion that exports are good and imports are bad is economically ignorant. Hong Kong got filthy rich operating at a massive trade "deficit" -- because they aren't really, monetary deficits.

 

Wrong the reason some people taxes are up, not even all, is because of state taxes in places like New York and CA. The rest of the country is no longer subsidizing high state taxes by letting you write them off on your federal income tax. So bitch at the state and locals about raping you not the feds.

 

So if it’s coming out of US treasury then aren’t US tax payers also paying for the wall??? Or does the Treasury put a check mark on any dollars we get from Mexico???

 

They are nether unconstitutional or foolish, they are bargaining chips in one hell of an important deal making process.

 

This touches on one of the issues that bother me, and that is the way Congress empowers the executive branch to take over some powers that were specifically granted to Congress.

 

The Constitution says Congress is responsible for taxes, not the President. Sorry, but between you and the Constitution, the Constitution wins. Shooting oneself and your ally in the foot in the hopes that your ally bleeds out faster is, indeed, foolish. Tariffs destroy wealth.

 

Yes, me too, especially now that Trump is trying to take both Congress's tax and spending power, not that this is exclusive to Trump. Congress has been giving up its declaration of war power, for example, for decades. However, the courts have ruled that a complete delegation of power is unconstitutional (rightfully so). The Executive can only aid Congress in its powers as a "mere servant" and under their guidelines. As shaky as something like an "Authorization to use Military Force" is, at least Congress is giving the Executive guidelines. With the tariffs, the only guidelines Congress has given that allow the Executive to declare tariffs are those issues involving national security. Trump stretching "national security" to include BMWs is insane.

 

You are missing the point, Trump was telling us how he was going to change the way we were allowing nations to take advantage of us and screw us over. A lot of tongue in check when into Trump saying Mexico would pay for the wall. He was half jesting, and pushing the buttons of literalists like you, at the same time.

Your problem is you take Trump literally, but you don't take him seriously.
While I take Trump seriously, but not literally.

 

I remember how smug many Democrats were when the SCOTUS decided that president Obama had plenary power over US immigration. Many of the same people who were encouraging him to bypass Congress with his pen and his phone, are now the same people upset with Trump. Trump has been doing a fraction of what Obama had done.

Even if Trump were behaving as extra Constitutional as Obama had had, the Democrats would only have themselves to blame for giving the executive branch that much power, and allowing Obama to set precedent.

 

Yes, and some of the same Republicans who called Obama a tyrant for that now have no problem with Trump. See how that works? So decide where you stand. If you weren't okay with Obama's pen and phone, then condemn Trump for his actions.

See above. Either condemn Trump or welcome with open arms the next Dem President having this same power. Don't use the accusation of hypocrisy to avoid applying consistency to your own belief system.

 

No he wasn’t. Stop with revisionist history. He said Mexico would pay for the wall over and over and over. Something said in jest is said once. Something said to be taken literally is said over and over and over.

 

That's true. Trump is always being audited, mainly because he always tried to steal money from the Trump Foundation. The reason for the audit prior to the election was because was stealing money from the Trump Foundation to pay for his legal fees from his fraud case from the Trump University scam.

 

Except that Trump has not acted with his pen and phone, violating the Constitution to bypass congress, and ignoring federal courts telling him to cease. When Trump wrote his executive order about immigration, and the judge in Hawaii put a stay on it, Trump did as the judge asked. Obama ignored the federal court stays, many times.

You have to make up theoretical scenarios that Trump has not even done. And yet you people were silent, and even encouraging Obama when he violated the Constitution with his pen and phone.

 

That's just another sad, false assumption. If Trump was always stealing the IRS would have already caught him, and he'd be in prison. So no, nothing like you said is true

Meanwhile people in Obama administration cheated on their taxes to the tune of almost a billion dollars, and you guys didn't give a crap. So you have to make up false narratives to create new hatred for Trump.

TDS - it's an awful thing to witness up close.

 

So Trump has reunited all of the families the courts ordered him to? (Hint: No). And, yes, he has violated the Constitution and bypassed Congress. See all of his tariffs and his recent attempt to fund the wall without Congress.

See above on the fact that, no Trump has not obeyed all court orders. And trying to change the subject to Obama isn't an intellectually honest response. It's whataboutism and nothing more.

Except I've provided concrete examples.

My "people" were not silent. Go check out any Libertarian publication or organization. And I said many times that Obama should have gone through impeachment hearings.