We need Universal Background Checks

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Ronstar, Nov 24, 2014.

  1. Rucker61

    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    If they are willing to sell to felons, they are willing to ignore this law.

    Why do you continue to ignore the DOJ's opinion on UBCs?
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    To get around the privacy issue, how about a two part system. The first part is the gun buyer goes to a website (or phone number or phone app), and requests authorization. Then the gun buyer enters the authorization number into the phone/website/phone app, and a name will pop up with approval or disapproval.

    That said, it still won't do a thing to stop the great majority of criminals from getting guns. All it will do is CYA for private gun sellers.
     
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    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    This is very similar to the process Tom Coburn offered that the Democrats shot down.

    They know this. This isn't aimed at catching felons
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    I remember seeing that. I had written down this scheme on either this forum or another about a year before his suggestion. IMHO, it's a good compromise.


    Some know it, some don't. We know UBC's only real result will be a slight harassment for gun owners (one more hurdle to jump over), but I'm willing to go along with extended NICS as a compromise that will only be slight harassment, instead of a backdoor to gun registration.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what is the DoJ official view on UBC?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no, this is the view of one man.
     
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    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    Do you think that the person's name on the report researched and wrote the entire report by himself?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    he's the only name listed.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Imagine actually quoting from genuine research...
     
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    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    He's the Deputy Director. His job description doesn't include researching and writing in-depth reports. He's a manager. Managers take responsibility for the work of their staff.

    My CEO signs the financial reports. Did he do the accounting?
     
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    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    I do it all the time. It's my MO. If I give an opinion, I note it as such.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    You think opinion is research? Is this a standard attitude amongst pro-gunners?

    Refer to some research relevant to the thread's topic?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Researchers have also found that, after adjusting for population, states that require background checks on all handgun sales experience less than half as many mass shooting incidents (52% fewer) as states without that background check requirement.18 States with background checks have 63% fewer mass shootings by individuals who are prohibited from possessing guns and 64% fewer mass shootings involving domestic violence.19 States with comprehensive background check laws also experience 48% less gun trafficking, 38% fewer deaths of women shot by intimate partners, and 17% fewer firearms involved in aggravated assaults, per capita.20

    States with universal background check requirements also have 53% fewer firearm suicides and 31% fewer overall suicides per capita than states without these laws.21


    http://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/background-checks/universal-background-checks/
     
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    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    Giffords isn't an unbiased source on gun control.

    Edit: If you'll note, none of the footnotes referenced in the body of the report are accessible. They also cite the hugely flawed Connecticut and Missouri studies.

    Edit: refreshing the page allows access to the notes.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    she didn't do the research.
     
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    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    That's two different unrelated statements in the same post. Is English your first language?
     
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    I refer to the site, not the former Congresswoman. Who did do the reseach?
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Still no actual research from you. Have another try!
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    But the fact that it's on her site makes it a less than trustworthy reference. I wouldn't insult you in an argument posting an article from an NRA website.....
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Try just posting scholarly research. Its the norm beyond the NRA blubberers
     
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    FFLs don’t process BCs from a police station, why should any citizen have to do that and not have direct access themselves?
     
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    Which position on which part of control, home slice?
     

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