Welcome to the Hotel California (depressing video)

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  1. william kurps

    william kurps Banned

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    But why didn't, bill and Obama open up those mental hospitals?
     
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    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Human rights...
    You can't just park people in institutions without their consent. You can't even force them to take their medication.
    The only way you can commit someone now is if a judge/tribunal rules it, an then it takes a good reason to even bring them a case.
     
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    But how can you do any of those if the mental hospitals are closed?

    Reagan closed them it was up to bush his son and bill to reopen them
     
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    Not without incurring the wrath of liberals.
     
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    California is a large, diverse state.

    That parts of it resemble Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, and Kentucky is very unfortunate.
     
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    It is of course a very sobering video- and moreso because we know that it's not faked for drama, but totally real.

    The fact is that it is within human capacity for any of us to be productive and happy, but that capacity is individual and relates directly to what each person does for themselves.
    We cannot legislate the human condition, we can't grant it, because it's mostly the internal perception of yourself and your world, that can only be changed by the person wanting it to change.
    What we can do- Is get the hell out of the way, and stop making it harder with the kind of legislation and regulations California keeps passing to "help".

    One would think that the people in California's government would recognize that their perspective is wrong and their solutions are even more wrong- and make some serious changes in course.
    Unfortunately, they fail to grasp the concept that doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results- is disastrous.
     
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    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They're not closed. They just changed vocation.
     
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    They aren't. They were never federal to begin with. Those that closed didn't close because of the laws, they closed because trial lawyers and patients rights advocates had so reduce the clientele that the states could no longer afford to keep them open.
     
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    I don't know exactly what the real answer was to this.

    I think it was an excuse for both individual states and the federal government to cut taxes, while avoiding all the problems that had gone on in these institutions.
    (Kind of analogous to the disaster of public housing in Chicago and Detroit)

    Some of those patients just needed some help, but the public was unwilling to do it outside of a prison-like setting for fear of giving people a "free ride".
    Probably half those patients didn't really deserve to be in there.

    But as usual, this was seen as a black and white issue.

    Putting them in regular prisons doesn't solve the problem either, and in some ways is worse.
     
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    Informative..
     

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