A modern conservative, I was going to say that's an oxymoron, but I guess there are modern conservatives, although calling Abbott, Hockey and Bishop modern anything. Progressive conservatives, now there is an oxymoron. Now let me give you my tilt on PCFExploited's post My father was born in 1916, he turns 98 next March, he tells of when a young man (<20) his father bought a radio, wireless as it was known. It was the size of a wardrobe, needed an external antenna stretch about 10 meters between two poles, you had to wait for it to "warm up" before you could tune it in properly, the sound was staticy and it had valves. When I was a young man (<10) there was no television, I listened to a radio, similar to the one pictured. I still have the radio. It also ran on valves. That was 50 years ago, today we have the Smart Phone, a computer the size of a cigarette packet roughly. Smart phones were not only beyond Dad's imagination back then, but mine. My grandchildren will see things that at the moment are beyond our imagination. But I still imagine. The factory nearby where I live has a thing called a 3D printer, you have all heard of them and seen them at least on TV. I predict that within say 20 years these will be refined to such a degree that we will all have one at home. These printers however will contain cassettes of the natural elements, the building blocks of all things. We will place an order through the machine for what we want, the supplier will download the instructions for the printer to "print" what you ordered. Because it is assembled atom by atom, layer by layer, there will be no need for joins, bolts, screws, gaskets etc. Things made will be stronger, better and more efficient. I believe we will be able to buy everything we need through this system, manufacturing will be a thing of the past. Value will be not in factories, machines, warehouses etc, but in intellectual property. Capitalism although started much earlier, really came to be during the industrial revolution. We were now manufacturing goods, we needed a system to deal with a new economy. Capitalism relies on money, on property, on goods, on production. Most of this will be gone, we will need a new system to keep up with a changing economy and social structure. Progress is exponential, each new discovery paving way for even more new discoveries, look at my Dad and I. In the years between his youth and mine we went from valve radios to valve radios, they just got smaller and better. Then the transistor replaced the valve, and things went smaller, then the silicon chip replaced most components and we went smaller, there are now looking at incredibly small but powerful components, beyond belief. Now exponential growth is a funny thing, kind of sneaks up on you. So do this exercise which demonstrates exponential growth, kind of. Get a chess board and a bag of rice, place 2 grains of rice on the first square, then 4 on the second, 8 on the third, 16 on the fourth etc. If you don't want to try that, then how about I come work for you, I will work for twelve months but only want to be paid for the first month. My wages will be calculated thus. Day One: 1 cent Day two: 2 cents Day three: 4 cents Day four: 8 cents Day five: 16 cents Day six: 32 cents Day seven: 64 cents. Wow one week and you have only paid me $1.17. Sounds like a good deal. Day eight: $1.28 Day nine: $2.56 Day ten: $5.12 Day eleven: $10.24 Day twelve: $20.48 Day thirteen: $40.96 Day fourteen: $81.92 Ok two weeks and you have paid me $163.73 ok Now you can finish the exercise. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Business looks upon welfare as a thorn in its side, a burden, the unemployed in particular are looked upon as lazy hband bludging. It is however the fault of business. All businesses are djconstantly looking for greater productivity, none really are saying how can we increase our employee numbers whilst maintaining the same profit. Other businesses business is creating unemployment, "this machine does the jobs of ten men". The health industry is in the business of increasing the population and longivity
Your irrational hatred of business (read 'rich people') is colouring your whole world view. Why would business look upon welfare as a burden and a thorn in its side?? Business has nothing to do with welfare. Business couldn't give a rats hairy arse about welfare. So stop the dole and hand out jobs instead. We will see who are the lazy bludgers then! What is the fault of business? I think your irrational hatred of 'rich people' is colouring your world again. You are completely off the track mate, business is not in the business of employing people. Business is in the business of producing or selling a product or providing a service. They only employ people to that end. Would you be happy paying $25 for a lettuce? $30 for a loaf of bread? because that's what they would cost if we didn't use machines that did the job of ten men. Where do you get these wierd ideas from? The health industry is in the busniess of treating ill health and maintaining good health. Nothing to do increasing population or longevity.
I am hoping you have all had to time to grasp the fundamental problems that is causing our welfare dependency, and the triggers which are about to cause a welfare epidemic in Australia. Lets move on to the paradox thats being created, because Australian politicians made incompetent decisions, or decisions that have secretly financially benefited them and some of their freinds, but have left the Australian people in the mud. Australian politicians have allowed foreign 457 visa workers into Australia on the pretence that Australian businesses could not find suitable educated and trainned Australian workers to fulfil these vacant positions. That was a lie. Would 457 workers reduce the cost of manufacturing and goods being sold in Australia? NO. When 457 visa workers leave Australia and return home, 100% of the tax they paid gets returned to them. Therefore these foreign 457 visa workers have NOT contributed 1 cent to Australia's financial future, but I would bet money they used every free service that was available to them - including free health care that they did not contribute too by their tax not staying in Australia. These are the question I would like any rational person to ask themselves: 1) If Australia has qualified individuals to fulfil vacant positions, why are Australian politicians allowing 457 visa workers into Australia to take Australian jobs? 2) If Australia has a unemployed individuals, why are these people not used to fill the positions that 457 visa workers are taking? 3) If Australia now has a high unemployment rate, then why are Australian politicians still allowing foreing 457 visa workers into Australia to compete with Australia's unemployed?
Culldav I understand what you are saying, however you will find that the 457 visa holders are skilled workers(supposedly so) that we, again supposedly, don't have. They need these skills NOW ! Supposedly. It supposedly will take too long to train our WILLING unemployed to fill the roles they need filled NOW. Supposedly. Is there any way of us getting overseas skilled politicians on 457's ?????????????
Simply to cut both of you from running off on a stupid tangent to find out that Business Support welfare and want it to continue. IT gives business MORE people to sell their product too increasing market which is why business actually likes increases in welfare MORE money to gain... Yes in theory, but practically will not show anything. BUT the work for the dole scheme is something that helps people to not only make a contribution to the community but to help bolster the spirits of those who unable to gain work. Generally it shows business people who do want work and those that simply appear for the money.
Slippery, Australia has enough skilled unemployed people to fill all the vancant jobs 457 vias workers are taking. Foreign owned campanies operating in Australia are taking advantage of this easy legislation, becuase they can import foreign 457 visa workers who are willing to work for minimum base wages, whereas Australian workers are not. Foreign owned companies operating in Australia employing people from their own country is also helping the economy of their native country, and benefiting their own people over Australians. The majority of their wages earned in Australia gets returned to their native homeland, and very lttlle money gets spent here in Australia to help the Australian economy. Australian TAFE colleges were the first step for young Australians who left school seeking a trade, but these courses are not available anymore due to teacher cuts thanks to politicians, who prefer to give $8 billion of our money away in free aid instead of educating young Australian school leavers.
