Were the Manson Killings a US Government Black Op?

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  1. Scott

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    I think everybody knows about the Manson killings.
    http://www.google.com/intl/en/#hl=e...&aqi=&oq=manson+killings+&fp=5ea9ebdd6e7f36e2

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=manson+killings&search_type=&aq=f
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=charles+manson&search_type=&aq=f


    I'd never thought that they might have been a black op until I listened to this radio program.
    http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/41132

    Here's an article about it but the above audio clip goes into a lot more detail.
    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread36865/pg1
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    Manson was in prison during the time that the CIA was known to be using inmates at Vacaville prison in the MKULTRA experiments, a fact that leaves one to speculate that perhaps Manson was some sort of mind-controlled guru created by the CIA and set loose against the "subversive" left-wing elements in order to discredit them.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_op

    The theory is that the government wanted to discredit the counter culture.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterculture#Sixties_and_seventies_counterculture

    It doesn't sound like such a far-fetched theory when we consider all the other stuff the US government has pulled off. I think everybody has seen "Terror Storm".
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6885277369482418431#
    http://video.google.es/videosearch?...=f&qvid=terror+storm&vid=-5948263607579389947

    http://911review.com/articles/anon/false_flag_perations.html

    People were figuring out that the govenment was lying to them about why they were in Vietnam. The counter-culture was thinking independently. The government was losing it's ability to form the people's political thinking. Whether it was a black op or not, the government used it to discredit the movement.

    http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/chomskyin1282.html
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    Q: When the Indochina war ended in 1975 you wrote that our nation's "official" opinion makers would engage in distortion of the lessons to be drawn from the war so that the same basic foreign policy goals could be pursued after the war. You felt then that in order to keep the real meaning of the war from penetrating the general public they faced two major tasks: First, they would have to disguise the fact that the war "was basically an American attack on South Vietnam -- a war of annihilation that spilled over to the rest of Indochina". And secondly, they would have to obscure the fact that the military effort in Vietnam "was restrained by a mass movement of protest and resistance here at home which engaged in effective direct action outside the bounds of propriety long before established spokesmen proclaimed themselves to be its leaders". Where do we stand now on these two issues--seven years later?
    Chomsky: As far as the opinion makers are concerned, they have been doing exactly what it was obvious they would do. Every book that comes out, every article that comes out, talks about how -- while it may have been a "mistake" or an "unwise effort" -- the United States was defending South Vietnam from North Vietnamese aggression. And they portray those who opposed the war as apologists for North Vietnam. That's standard to say.
    The purpose is obvious: to obscure the fact that the United States did attack South Vietnam and the major war was fought against South Vietnam. The real invasion of South Vietnam which was directed largely against the rural society began directly in 1962 after many years of working through mercenaries and client groups. And that fact simply does not exist in official American history. There Is no such event in American history as the attack on South Vietnam. That's gone. Of course, It Is a part of real history. But it's not a part of official history.
    And most of us who were opposed to the war, especially in the early 60's -- the war we were opposed to was the war on South Vietnam which destroyed South Vietnam's rural society. The South was devastated. But now anyone who opposed this atrocity is regarded as having defended North Vietnam. And that's part of the effort to present the war as if it were a war between South Vietnam and North Vietnam with the United States helping the South. Of course it's fabrication. But it's "official truth" now.
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    http://michaelparenti.org/Imperialism101.html
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    By "Imperialism" I mean the process whereby the dominant politico-economic interests of one nation expropriate for their own enrichment the land, labor, raw materials, and markets of another people.
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    North American and European corporations have acquired control of more than three-fourths of the known mineral resources of Asia, Africa, and Latin America.
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    Of the various notions about imperialism circulating today in the United States, the dominant view is that it does not exist. Imperialism is not recognized as a legitimate concept, certainly not in regard to the United States. One may speak of "Soviet imperialism" or "nineteenth-century British imperialism" but not of U.S. imperialism. A graduate student in political science at most universities in this country would not be granted the opportunity to research U.S. imperialism, on the grounds that such an undertaking would not be scholarly. While many people throughout the world charge the United States with being an imperialist power, in this country persons who talk of U.S. imperialism are usually judged to be mouthing ideological blather.
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    A lot of people were finding out what was really going on. It makes sense that the government would try to discredit the movement.

    I think almost everybody has seen videos like these which deal with the US government's mind-control program.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOARWX3OjFc
    http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...riments&search_type=&aq=0&oq=cia+mind+control

    It seems they had the capability to turn a person into a robot and program him to do whatever they wanted him to do and then erase his memory.

    I'm not saying I'm sure about all of this. I'm just saying it fits the pattern and I won't be a bit surprised if it turns out to be true.

    Here's something else.
    http://www.mail-archive.com/sixties-l@googlegroups.com/msg02640.html
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    In the course of my research, I met Preston Guillory, a former deputy sheriff at the Malibu Sheriff's Department, which aided the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department in the original raid of the Spahn Ranch. Guillory had participated in that raid, and I interviewed him at an apartment in San Francisco. He stated: "We had been briefed for a few weeks prior to the actual raiding of Spahn Ranch. We had a sheaf of memos on Manson, that they had automatic weapons at the ranch, that citizens had complained about hearing machine-guns fired at night, that firemen from the local fire station had been accosted by armed members of Manson's band and told to get out of the area, all sorts of complaints like this. "We had been advised to put anything relating to Manson on a memo submitted to the station, because they were supposedly gathering information for the raid we were going to make. Deputies at the station of course started asking, 'Why aren't we going to make the raid sooner?' I mean, Manson's a parole violator, machine-guns have been heard, we know there's narcotics and we know there's booze. He's living at the Spahn Ranch with a bunch of minor girls in complete violation of his parole. "Deputies at the station quite frankly became very annoyed that no action was being taken about Manson. My contention is this--the reason Manson was left on the street was because our department thought that he was going to attack the Black Panthers. We were getting intelligence briefings that Manson was anti-black and he had supposedly killed a Black Panther, the body of which could not be found, and the department thought that he was going to launch an attack on the Black Panthers.
     
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