WH Budget Director Admits ObamaCare Indiv Mandate Fine Not a Tax

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  1. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In a most revealing exchange with New Jersey Republican Scott Garrett, White House Budget Director Jeff Zients admitted what we all know, a federal judge has acknowledged, and Democrats try to deny - that the penalty for refusing to submit to the ObamaCare Individual Mandate is not a tax, it's a fine...

    I'd say Obama and the Democrats are BUSTED here, but this admission hardly qualifies as a revelation. However, it will make a nice addition to the arguments against the unconstitutional individual mandate in the government-mandated healthcare protection racket otherwise known as ObamaCare.

    Nice work, Scott Garrett and Jeff Zients! :mrgreen:
     
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    They call it a tax when convenient then deny it is a tax as necessary. Just more democrat dishonesty. The democrats really have become the party of lies, but they enjoy the luxury of having a complicit main stream media that active obfuscates the truth.
     
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    What's the big deal in the distinction between whether it is a fine or a tax?
     
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    The following back-and forth exchange between the president and George Stephanopoulos on the health care debate and the individual mandate was very good!

    Barack Obama attempts to explain to George when a tax is not a tax.

    In an attempt to help the president, George graciously reads the definition of a tax from Merriam-Webster Dictionary to our bumbling president:

    Tax—"a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes."

    And what is Obama's response? His response is, "For us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase."

    This is remarkable! “It turns out the President thinks a health-care tax is not a tax if he thinks the tax is for your own good.”

    Given this logic, how this fellow was ever elected as president is beyond me. Judging from Obama's latest approval ratings, over 55% of the American voters now agree and support this statement!

     
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    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

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    Obama is a national embarrassment. I hope America remembers this mistake for decades to come.

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    The only thing more embarrassing than Obama, are the millions of indoctrinated, gullible sheep who can listen to his dissembling and prevarications....and still gleefully permit this pathologically dishonest fraud to herd them into the gelding pen.

    we can survive him....
    we cannot survive them.
     
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    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

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    We will always have a disloyal 30%. That's probably a historical norm considering the American revolution. The Greek city-states had a problem with factions opening the city gates to enemies to gain power.

    The key is educating the independents about the costs of socialism. They will reject the Left, if they realize the cost of income and freedom that the Left demands in their madness.

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  8. Talon

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    The legality of the Individual Mandate...
     
  9. Jiyuu-Freedom

    Jiyuu-Freedom Keep the peace Past Donor

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    I merged these threads.

    I heard the health director speak on our local conservative radio station yesterday. I think that's his title.

    When asked if this fine for not buying Obamacare was a tax, he danced around the question. The host kept asking the same question and he finally said in words that meant "sort of, yes" that it is indeed a tax.

    How the hell else would they make money to put into our government programs, or continue spending it on bailouts or more stimulus bills?

    I hope the Republican presidential candidates start speaking to the public in the states that they campaign in because this is the number one question that will raise eyebrows. They promised transparency and did not show us anything. Nothing. Nada.
     
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    Trinnity Banned

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    This is what Obama care is:

    govt power grab
    tax bill
    regulatory device
    economy killer

    We have to overturn it to see a real recovery.
     
  11. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL.

    You're not alone, Chairman Barry...

     
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    SCOTUS case was sunk for Obama by one of his own Henchmen.
     
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    I believe the same thing occured with social security, called not a tax, but defended AS a tax.
     
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    So you support lies in the US government?

    Abuse of power?

    Swearing to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, and then plotting to circumvent the constitution?

    Disgusting....
     
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    Hey, it worked for FDR...why not do it again.
     
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    sometimes its not always black and white....a fact that has had righties screaming nonsense for a hundred years
     

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