What are your views on abortion?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Daggdag, Oct 19, 2020.

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Which best describes your view on abortion

  1. A woman has the right to choose to get an abortion with no limitations.

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    47.7%
  2. Abortion should be illegal after the first trimester

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    18.6%
  3. Abortion should be illegal except to preserve the health and life of the mother.

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    27.9%
  4. Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances.

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    5.8%
  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Your opinion is rooted in YOUR VERSION of reality!
     
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    Probably. Being Non-American, I am not too familiar with Roe v Wade, but I would not expect the government to be reasonable enough to present a solid case.
     
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    There is no "my reality" and "your reality". There is only Reality. A is A.
     
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    You believe in objective truth?
     
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    I asked for an example and you didn't provide one....Reading comprehension issues? Or just no proof?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    No one is a legal person until birth.


    Yes, in my opinion and in law....:)
     
  7. Ritter

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    Of course I do. I am neither a religious mystic or a silly skeptic. Reality is what it is and using our reason, we can find out what it is.
     
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    So then we should all have the same opinion?
     
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    Law which was made based on opinion. Even honest liberal legal scholars think that Roe v Wade is a ridiculous legal decision.
     
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    No, some people are just wrong whereas other people are right. However, when it comes to matters of preference such as if vanilla is a better ice cream-flavour than chocolate, it is up to each individual themselve to interact with their surroundings to find out. There is no right or wrong ice cream preference, but even one's ice cream flavour is objective in that it has to be based in the nature of reality. For example, you cannot prefer a flavour that does not exist.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    No one is a legal person until birth.

    Yes, in my opinion and in law..


    As are all laws and they still are the law.




    DUHHHHHHHHH, RvW did NOT determine nor rule on whether a ZEF is a legal person or not...and that wasn't what I was referring to.....try not to be so confused...
     
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    Roe vs Wade is a pro choice decision delivered by the supreme court per justice Blackmun in 1973. In that decision the court per Blackmun stated that states have a compelling interest in the life of that fetus only in the final trimester.

    So why then is Hillary Clinton using the Roe decision do defend partial birth abortions? Is she stupid or dishonest?



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal...n Roe,but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks."

     
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    The modern democrat party stand on abortion.

    I guess that is what is called compassion among democrats today. Keeping a little baby comfortable before killing it! I'm shocked that the Virginia governor was not nominated for a Nobel peace prize.



    Another democrat obsession is using US tax dollars to pay for abortions in other countries. Especially Africa. Why? Every republican stops this funding and when a democrat takes office it is one of the first things they do. Issue an executive order for that funding.

    https://www.lifenews.com/2020/07/30...lling-babies-in-abortions-in-other-countries/

    So in short democrats are not pro choice. They are pro abortion! They support abortion any time even killing a baby alive outside the womb. They support funding for abortions and abortion clinics and even support US taxpayer funded abortions in other countries. That is extreme!
     
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    We're talking about opinion, not preference.
     
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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ws-on-abortion.580016/page-40#post-1072461466
     
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    After the first trimester the baby takes on human characteristics. Like sex organs, fingers and toes and a heartbeat.

    It's amazing I provide the most moderate tolerant and secular view on this board and you libos are upset. Sorry but I would prefer not to kill 800 black babies every day in this country. You obviously disagree.
     
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    No, we are discussing abortion.
     
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    Those characteristics are not human in of themselves. However, it is true that it is conceptually impossible to say that it is anything that even remotely resembles a human being before the first three months. Nonetheless, this whole viability thing really is irrelevant to the question because most abortions are performed before that anyways.

    I would still say life begins once the baby is no longer physically attached to its mother. Anythibg else is ridiculous.
     
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    Who is this to?
     
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    Yes, opinion on abortion.
     
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    I present the most objective view and that is all that matters. :)

    And why do you think that being for abortion automatically makes one a "lib"?

    The last part of your post is just more of the regular appeals to emotion cover in a blanket of pretend anti-racism where the implication is "if you disagrer, you hate blacks".

    So, so, so childish.
     
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    Not human so then we could eat a fetus and that would be ok with you? Cows and pigs have a heartbeat and toes so we can eat a fetus?

    "Life begins" so a 6 month fetus is not alive?
     
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    On which I have made a very coherent case that is condistent with the nature of reality whereas you have not. This is mainly because your primary reason for opposing abortion is religion and religion is not consistent with reality.
     
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    So wanting babies to have a chance at life in the richest country on earth is childish?

    Another hard core far right libo who is pretending to be something else? Only a libo would have an issue with my views on this.
     
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    It is indeed alive, but rights do not apply to all living things. It only applies to human life and even a 6 month old fetus is still just that, a fetus. A potential life. Conflating the potential and the actual is wrong and demanding that the latter sacrifice themselves to the previous is purely monstrous.

    A fetus cannot independently and consciously interact with the world until it has been born and thereby it does neither need- nor can it have rights.
     
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