What can be done about black crime?

Oh boy. I'll give this a shot...

First and foremost, we have to realize that "black crime" is really just an euphemism for "poor people crime," and many black people are poor. This is due to a really broad and complex set of factors, the biggest of which is that fifty years ago - only two or three generations ago - they couldn't even use the same water fountain. People pretend that racism was horrible because it was so mean. They think about what it would have felt like to face such hatred... and that is a good reason to despise it. But that is only just the start of what is wrong with racism. By doing what we did to black people, we condemned God knows how many future generations to a life with no or very little capital. In a capitalist society, this means forcing them into ghettos, and then cursing them when, lo and behold, things go poorly.

To illustrate, I'll offer a bit about me. I am a fourth-generation farmer. The only reason why I had the opportunity to go to university or have guaranteed employment or not deal with mindblowing debt is because Mommy and Daddy. They can do that because they worked hard... and also because they didn't have to buy a damned farm, lol. My grandparents got money and wealth from their parents. My parents got money and wealth from my grandparents. I get money and wealth from them. So when study after study has shown that peoples economic class is usually the same as their parents, and study after study shows poverty is the most correlated factor to crime, it isn't hard to put it together.

Let us also consider the state of our laws. Mandatory minimum sentencing. Pretty significant discrepancies between black and white conviction rates. A prison system that is designed to punish, not to rehabilitate. The War on Drugs. No-knock warrants. Ghettos under the mercy of gangs, the members of which are case studies in what happens when you have managed to completely alienate people from all the positive aspects of a society. Would you want to go to school in the ghetto? Would you want to feel like you need the protection of a gang? There are white people who go through this too... and surprise surprise, the poor areas are just as crime-ridden.

If we want to get this under control, this is what we have to do, IMO:

1. Increase the hell out of our education spending in high-risk areas.
2. Abandon the War on Drugs. Repeal mandatory-minimum sentencing and restore a modicum of justice to the justice system.
3. Increase spending on rehabilitation programs, decrease spending on cops being really weirdly violent all the time
4. Donate to charities and advocate for municipal-level aid programs

 

Not knowing what the remedy would be doesn't impede realizing what the remedy is not.

Fifty years has shown throwing increased subsidies down the drain is futile.

 

You are probably a decent person but you make every mistake liberals have consistently made over the years.

I will analyze your message point by point.

To begin with you are obviously consumed with 'White Guilt'..you proably have no clue as to what that is...it is easy to research so I will not waste board space to expound on that...this is going to be too long anyhow.

Next point..........poverty does not cause crime...if that were the case the Ozarks and the appalachian areas would be overrun with criminals...so your understanding of the causality of crime is fallacious and it has been proven to be fallacious>>>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...factor-claims-Cambridge-University-study.html

Next point...Blaming modern blacks poverty on white racism is another fallacy...and btw the blacks are not the only racial group that has faced discrimination in America....the Jews, The Irish, The Asians...you name it every race at some point in history has faced discrimination...and overcome it. But then you no doubt will come back with but they were slaves....newsflash White People in Colonial America were also slaves....you do not know the history of this and yet you have convinced yourself you are correct...far from it.

Now you probably have heard of Indentured Servitude and you do doubt think it was some sort of 'genteel' servitude aka the upstairs downstairs scenario of a popular tv show daling with serviude. In truth indentured servitude was a cruel form of slavery and yet most Americans are descended from these White Slaves>>>>>http://www.amazon.com/They-Were-White-Slaves-Enslavement/dp/0929903056

It is obvious you have not been around very many blacks...perhaps in very controlled situations like at school....but try living in a predominantly black area for a little while...and I am not even talking about a real ghetto area...just some community with over half composed of blacks.

Next Point: the old excuse of there are so many blacks in our penal institutions because of the war on drugs is bull(*)(*)(*)(*)e....they are there because they committ more crimes...blacks compose approx. l2 percent of our total pop. Yet they committ over half of all violent crimes....like rape and murder.

Next Point: Your solutions are absolutely laughable...all based on the premise of black victimhood when quite the reverse is the real truth.

Sure if we did away with all laws there would be fewer blacks in jail....absolutely ridiculous reasoning but that is what you do.

BTW studies have been done proving the judicial system is not biased against people of color.

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_2_criminal_justice_system.html

The public schools are a mess but you have no clue as to why that is...throwing more money down that bottomless pit will do not good whatsoever. If you want to bring back the status public education once enjoyed...you will have to bring back segregtions...even many blacks understand black students do better in a segregated school with black teachers....that can also be easily researched.

 

Pcf the clueless farmer....I must say most farmers I have talked to are much more aware of the truth....wants to increase the monies we spend on poverty programs most of which are geared towards blacks....where are we supposed to get the money? Even if we had the money would it do any good? Obviously not....we have spent l5 trillion dollars already trying to prove that throwing money at the problem will fix it...obviously it hasn't...but this is the kind of myths liberals are fixated on.....they have a movie running in their head and it has nothing to do with the truth...it is hollywood manufactured bull(*)(*)(*)(*)e aka preserving the mythy of black vicitmhood by constantly harping on the KKK whilst Blacks are killing other blacks at rates that makes the KKK era look like a sunday school picnic.

https://www.google.com/url?q=http:/...KKyyAGImYFA&ved=0CAgQFjAB&client=internal-uds

If the liberals or those with liberal tendancies would do some research before coming on here and opening their pie hole...much progress could be made...instead we constantly see fallacious reasoning, fallacious reasoning and a preponderance of ignorant remarks...much of it coming from those too lazy to try and support their personal opinions with any facts or truth. Pathetic.

 

This lonk got lost somewhere along the way in the above post....aka 15 trillion dollars wasted trying to upgrade the black experience in life.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/11864-the-war-on-poverty-$15-trillion-and-nothing-to-show-for-it

 

Are you expecting a response to that insulting and immature diatribe? Just want to be clear that I'd be glad to discuss these issues with you in a sensible way, but I won't respond at all if it means subjecting myself to that kind of thing. Why would I bother? Your POV isn't winning. Mine is. If you want to change minds you'll have to do better than that.

 

You think I was trying to insult you? I thought I was being extraordinarily polite in regards to the manure you were spreading about.

This isn't about winning or losing...I mean debating the nature of our black problem. That is the mistake too many on here make....reducing it to who wins and who loses....when the object should be to present the truth.

BTW being on the popular side of any subject on this board is nothing to be proud of...when one considers the level ot intellectualism one encounters on here...akin to the type of intelligence Jay Leno encounters in his famous street interviews.

But let me cut to the chase....you essentially just gave your opinion on the black problem...you provided no support whatsoever for your opinion.

In a nutshell...the solution you advocate has been tried for the past 40 plus years....ever since LBJ and his cronies initiated so much wasteful federal spending.....which has done more to bring this nation to its knees than any other thing under the sun.

One definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

 

You're cute.

 

An old political maxim....if you can't take the heat...get out of the kitchen.

 

This board handles links differently from the one i usually post on ....hopefully this link will work this time>>>>


http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/11864-the-war-on-poverty-$15-trillion-and-nothing-to-show-for-it

 

I lived in 2 black neighborhoods for a total of about 4 years. I didn't agree with PCFExploited before I lived in those neighborhoods, but I do now.

 

This isn't a kitchen, and we aren't running for office. This isn't even a competition. And I'm pretty sure you're not Hillary Clinton. I have literally no idea why you would choose that analogy, because it just doesn't apply to this situation at all. What happened is that you came on here, insulted me, claimed that you were being polite, then put it all down as a win because I walked away. It kind of reminds me of an ape stomping his chest and doing a fake charge. Apparently whoever decides "I'd rather just go get some delicious ape poo-tang and scratch my ass" is the loser.

 

Having also lived in a Black Neighborhood....actually in my case a ghetto I find it difficult to believe that you could attribute your liberal beliefs to such an experience....but if you are telling the truth perhaps you could expound a little on how living amongst blacks persuaded you to become a liberal....this should be interesting.

 

Talking about ridiculous analogies.......irregardless....to bring some truth to this matter...if you consider my post to be terribly over-the-board rude you must be a newbie....my condemnation of your views came no where close to what you are trying to intimate in regards to being insulting...perhaps you are a bit too sensitive for political discussions.

BTW...neither did I declare victory nor apparantly have you walked away. But why waste board space with such ridiculous chatter....why not try and support your argument that throwing money at the black problem will solve it....of course that will be rather impossible to do...so perhaps your strategy of inserting red herrings into this discussion is the best you can do. You have my sympathy.

 

Oh trust me, where I lived was a ghetto as well. I was in college and was sick of the crappy dorms so me and some buddies got what seemed like a really cool house to a bunch of 19 year olds where we could afford, which was in the ghetto.

Rather than alienate ourselves because we were the only white people in the area, we were outgoing and friendly, and most people were friendly right back. Just like any other group of people, some were scumbags and some were just ok but a lot were quite nice people. Over the course of a few years, I saw a lot of the neighborhood kids get worn down by their surroundings and get involved in some bad stuff. When they were in elementary school a lot of them are just like myself at that age. By middle school, reality hit a lot of them and They started down a different path. The reason is that they saw their schools didn't care about them, the cops were profiling them as black adolescents and no one around them was escaping poverty. I'm sure some of those kids are now in jail. And they were just like me at one time. Unless you believe black people have some inherent trait that causes them to become callous and go down the wrong road at adolescence, the only conclusion is their their surroundings and the reality of life is what is making the difference for them. They have hope as children, until they get old enough to see how little hope there is.

 

Now to get back on topic: Since I have shown that poverty does not cause crime....let us try and identify and deal with the real cause of crime which of course is 'immorality'. Now that assertion will no doubt raise the hacles of any liberal reading this...and this thread being neatly tucked out of sight of most readers...very few will probably even read it...irregardless being a honest person and one dedicated to the truth no matter where it leads...that is ...I think--the best explanation for crime...a moral failure.

Then logically once one comes to understand that then the obvious implication is that in the black community there must be a terrible psychosis at play...aka a lack of morality.

http://media-garden.org/theblackmind/sub2.html

 

I think you came to an illogical aka a over simplified conclusion regarding what causes the catastrophic failure of so many black people.

First of all....some black people do come out of the ghetto and make a success of their lives....so to attribute black failures to their environment is fallacious.

The old argument of heredity vs. environment comes into play here of course....I think it a much more likely explanation regarding why some black people are in the ghetto in the first place and why their children are caught up in this cycle of poverty, criminality and hoplessness....more to do with their genes I think than any particular environment...if environment was the cause...no success stores would ever come out of the ghetto but many do manage to escape and live good productive lives.

 

My god.

 

One big reason there is so much black on white crime is very simple but few want to admit it or face up to it...the simple fact is the majority of black people hate White People.

http://angrywhitedude.com/2012/03/the-hard-truth-blacks-hate-white-people-2/

 

You should not take the name of the Lord in vain.

 

When one looks at the Negroid Race no matter where they are in the world the great majority of them are the same......caught up in poverty and criminality.


http://www.amren.com/features/2014/01/income-inequality-the-debate-ignores-race

 

Are we just supposed to write this off because Negro Kids are descendants of Slaves>>>>>http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/02/11/mayhem-at-florida-state-fair-hundreds-of-blackhispanic-teen-thugs-riot-and-fight-with-police-worst-violence-in-fair-history/

 

You are probably a crowd favorite over at Stormfront.

 

Alright you have a nice day sir.

 

That is because Affirmative Action was never about rectifying the problem but instead was an attempt to mitigate the effects (symptoms) of the problem. The problem is racial prejuduce that results in discrimination that denies equality of opportunity and Affirmative Action does not address racial prejudice that creates discrimination. It mitigates the effects of the discrimination but does not eliminate the discrimination.

Our government is actually very good at identifying problems but generally incompetent in addressing the problem as it typlically addresses the symptoms as opposed to the problem. The "War on Poverty" created welfare programs to mitigate the effects of poverty (a symptom) as opposed to doing anything to reduce or eliminate poverty. Social Security provides income when the problem identified in the 1930's was a lack of wealth accumulation that would provide income when a person became too old to work for a living. It addressed the symptom (income) as opposed to the problem (lack of personal wealth) and that same problem re-emerged in the 1960's when people didn't have the wealth necessary to provide the income to pay for private health insurance.

If we want to address the problem of "black crime" then we need to address the problem which is the denial of equality of economic opportunity due to discrimination caused by racial prejudice. The racial prejudice is the problem because if we eliminate it then a "black" kid has the same economic opportunity to succeed in America that a white kid has.

Today that isn't the case and this leads to a lack of motivation to succeed in an economy where the "cards are stacked" against the individual based upon prejudice and bigorty. Many "whites" say that the black man needs to raise themselves up by their bootstraps but fail to acknowledge that the white man is standing on their neck preventing it.

If we want a national policy then it should be about eliminating invidious prejudice because that is the root cause of the problem. Everything else is a symptom of the problem including black crime.