What, exactly, is socialism? Again this discussion seems necessary.

That sentence is also incoherent. So you aren't able to answer any of my questions?

 

Just saying things are incoherent is dishonesty I don't answer the questions of dishonest posters.

 

Nope, it is a reference to the English Language. I've asked you a dozen or more questions. I can't remember you answering one. That's a shame. I'm sure your views on the socialist calculation debate are particularly advanced.

 

you know it isn't you're playing dumb to avoid addressing an argument.

they're incoherent

Lol

 

A churlish effort. I'll try again. Do you think the socialist calculation debate remains a credible means to critique socialism? If so, how?

 

That's incoherent. Lol.

 

We'll add humour to your specialisms. Given the detailed political economy also provided, that is an impressive plethora of fungible skills.

 

still stuck in the old world I see? Soviet calculation debate was before soviets and Red Chinese slowly starved 120 million to death.

 

What on earth are you ranting about now? The socialist calculation debate is essentially over whether the Walrasian Auctioneer's perfect competition can be replicated by the economic planner. Try referring to it

 

1) wrong, that's not what the soviet calculation is about
2) Walrasian is merely a silly dream that the soviet calculation can now beat the free market. Will you stop at 200 million dead bodies?

 

I doubt societies like Amish, survive as well as they do without socialism.

 

pointing to a religious cult is not doing socialism any favors.

 

Actually you're incorrect, Polz. Higher Social Mammals do indeed practice 'socialism'.

The old adage 'it takes a village to raise a child' is precisely that. We've been practising socialism/communism in our primary and agrarian societies since day one, and still do in many parts of the world. The family unit itself is a collective.

Once you dismantle these fundamental collectives, you have lost all ability to utilise socialism for the betterment of the collective. You cannot force socialism (or collectivism, if you will) upon a populace which has long forgotten how to live with and for others.

 

Very good example, DA!

 

Because the neophytes are trying to impose collectivism on a society which has lost it's ability to operate that way. As above.

 

But that's EXACTLY what 'cults' etc are doing ... socialism. If you don't want to acknowledge the real thing, we can't discuss it.

 

Is this another one of those things you are going to claim something about with absolutely zero Merit to your claim?

If so save your breath.

Animals have no concept of economy so they do not socialism.

I don't think you understand the concept of socialism it is an economic concept. And it does not take a village to raise a child.

 

social order is voluntary. if you want it, you need to pummel your disordered society into one which chooses the hard work and self-sacrifice of order, before you can hope to gain anything of value from it.

 

anarcho-communism is voluntary.

 

If you are referring to the First World, I'm going to assume this thread is a troll.

 

so if you want socialism go join Warren Jeffs cult don't try to make the entire country a cult.

I prefer individual liberty of her belonging to a collective.

Then stop posting responses to me.

 

there can be zero anarchy in communism. seriously, you people are like 3 year olds when it comes to this stuff.

 

you Must be on the right wing.

 

Collectivism must be voluntary. It can only work when the individual volunteers understand that it's an abrogation of self, and a lifetime of unrelenting work, to live that way. It's not about accessing resources while retaining 'individuality'.

It has literally NOTHING to do with religion, and your continued mention of cults shows that you have a limited comprehension of just how many different iterations of collectivism still exist.

And finally, that you mention 'liberty' as though it's the opposite, confirms your lack of knowledge. Volunteering can only happen when we have complete liberty. You know, that voluntary collectivism we just talked about?

 

OMG

really? no wonder I despair for my once wise and noble Left