What Good Exists In The Right-Wing?

I must agree with him in part. The main parties of USA are:

- Liberals

- Conservative

Both parties are of the right wing. USA nowadays only have politicians of right wing, one more progressive than others, but only right wing.

 

Whatever you define it to be. To me, it's these guys.

I think the right wing policy of invading countries is good, because it leads to more dead bodies, and dead bodies are a contribution.

 

The premise is that what you think is right/wrong is right/wrong. I don't agree.

How do you know that division, exclusion, combat, racism, paranoia, diversions, anti-socialism, extermism, and corporatism are bad things?

You study how the world is. You make statements about how the world should be. I am not disputing what you believe the world is, I am disputing what you think it should be.

 

Just because your 'liberal' party is not into Stalinist gulags, yet, does not make them a party of the right.

 

And politicians are always honest, right?

 

Touche.

However its also everyone else.

 

Finally

A right winger admits that dead bodies are their real contribution.

I hoping for some more contributions, but so far its only me thats provided them.

 

Once again you exhibit a profound inability to comprehend the written language.

 

First off your premise that legislation is good is debatable. I would say that the less legislation, the better off we all are.

Secondly, there is no Conservative movement but rather a political/economic view that basically agrees with the original premise of the Constitution; that of a limited Government that is restricted to the protection of our country and administration of our laws and the idea that individuals exercising their liberties are free to engage in commerce free from Governmental interference.

Have Conservative politicians been successful following these ideals; perhaps not, but I have always stated that I would rather vote for someone promising to abide by the Constitution and free market principles than one who promises to confiscate our wealth so they can "decide" what is good for us and what is not.

Tell me what have the Librul leftist ideology done that is so wonderful? Housing projects; nope, they are a massive failure. Food stamps; nope, they are full of corruption and abuse and a massive failure. Welfare; nope, nothing more here than creating a dependent class of citizen. Minimum wage laws; all these have done is make entry level jobs inaccessible to high school students and newly graduated seniors.

Basically these feel good measures have only helped to bankrupt our government and the conscience of those who pray at the God of BIG Govuhmint. Welfare, Medicare, Social Security and the other feel good programs are only serving to make the Government a more powerful influence over the citizen which is slowly eroding our liberties to the point that soon, a massive part of the population, like Europe, will be looking to the Government for their welfare now and in retirement.

Please show me a Socialist/Marxist society that has thrived and provided the level of freedoms and prosperity Americans have reaped over the decades.

Why would we want to be like them?

 

Post reported for baiting personal attacks.

 

Ill bet you dont have the cojones to expand on what you really did mean when you said these things dont exist.

Another fail. Youll keep failing until you can man up and make an actual reasonable argument. Perhaps even, you could just maybe answer the question in this thread.

 

Your post is gibberish I'm afraid. The right-wing is exaxctly as I have described it. You have admitted that the right-wing does nothing for this country. I've said nothing about "what the world should be", so you've nothing to dispute.

 

That’s a pointed opinion on legislation as a means and has nothing to do with the subject of the thread.

There is a right-wing movement that started with Joesph Mccarthy and in 1979 with Jerry Fallwell, to include Ronald Reagan, and that political ilk; Ann Coulter etc and has moved from Bush 41 to GW Bush et al. Your personalized mispellings of "liberal" and "government" only hurt your case. The thread is not about what you think the right-wing espouses; that was actually determined earlier in the thread by Jack Ridley: subversion of the US government.

There you have it: the bolded line is the key to this thread, and you too have admitted it. The right-wing rhetoric says things that you believe in, but as you have admitted, they don’t follow through at all, and that is my point. It’s not “what you believe”, it’s what they believe and what they do and don’t do.

This thread is not about the left; that’s a subject diversion. We can start a thread on the left, beginning with FDR et al another time. Stick to the subject please.

Again, this is an off topic comment that simply makes untrue assertions. Those assertions are not the subject of the thread. I will be very happy to comment on those if you start such a thread.

So far the good things the right-wing has done for this country is zero; by two "conservative" admissions and by a telling lack of contributions by other right-wing posters.

Those results have been consistent across the board on other forums, so the actual purpose of this thread has been met and it's very apparent that no contributions will be forthcoming. Now, if you have something, please add it in.

 

That may very well be so. It is irrelevant.

Well certainly they do something, even if it's not necessarily positive, otherwise you wouldn't make such a ruckus about them.

You've talked about the 'Right-Wing's' lack of actions that 'improve' America.

Improve: To make more like they way they should be.

 

If good means a balance of the individuals needs with the needs of the collective whole of the society, and the environment, then..... Rightwing has none.

If good means each individual should strive for what is best for himself regardless of the effect on others or the environment, then..... Rightwing has plenty.

 

1) It's not irrelevant; that's the topic

2) What something is that? Nothing good . . .

3) Improve: to raise to a higher quality, not a specific style. You can't get
around the word that way. Heal and welfare and education, to name three
are not liberal or conservative / right-wing. They stand on their own and
in this country, should be equally accessable across the board and leave
none lacking.

It's a copout in my view to try and polticize those American qualities. The platform of the left has always been to make access more fair and improve the quality of those American social development productions. The right-wing however consistently views that attempt as a style of Marxism, which is not only pernicious with respect to the American standard (as a leader), but divisive and destructive with respect to a constant even flow. That is why I mentioned those issues, as they are centered in today's political discourse, and actually have been for generations; "a chicken in every pot" and so forth.

What the thread is showing, is that the right-wing goes out of its way to stifle growth in those areas, not because of any money, but because of ideology: "No dancing! It's a sin".

Thread opens up the subject of the right-wing to ask "why"? Why would an obviously ideological group: a faction (a more accurate description), be so destructive and divisive on purpose and contribute nothing that could be conmsidered helpful to the people's general welfare; as put forth in the Constitution?

This of course proposes an agenda of a more nefariuos purpose . . . And the fact that none on the right-wing, here or elsewhere, can come up with even scant evidence of productive contributions only validates that. That is the thing that progressives have been charging all along and as we get into that possibility, it does become a probability; only one step away from fact. And as is always the case, when right-wingers are challenged, rather than prove compatability and usefullness, they retreat into a defensive posture and then attack in personal ways: that is the behavior of an anti-social type of personality: a juggernaut. These were the types of forces that set to work to create totalitarian societies throughout history. There is therefore no reason not to conclude that that typoe of force is at work again.

If one stands back and observes this objectively, it's actually quite scary.

For someone like yourself then, I would question my motives for trying to defend this type of behavior. It's apoplexy has indeed been eroding the quality of American citizenship for some time, not to mention our standing in the world. That kind of radcialism is only good for war.

 

"Right-wing" has consistently been an oppresive and militaristic wing of society. This wing has always shown itself to be destructive.

 

Suppose one were trying to determine if the variable c in the equation c = a x b was positive or negative. Even if we knew what a was, it would still be impossible to answer the question without the value of b. In the same way, it is impossible to know if the 'Right Wing is bad' if we know what 'Right Wing' means but not 'bad'.

Define 'good'.

If I may echo Robert M. Pirsig, what is 'Quality'?

Why should they be 'equally accessible across the board'?

It's also a copout in my view to assume that those are 'American Qualities' when you can't even define 'quality'.

What is 'fair'?

Nobody is does anything on purpose. Not Hitler, not Stalin, not Jared Lee Loughner.

Who is 'The People'? What is 'The General Welfare'? Why should I care about the Constitution?

What is 'productive'?

Nothing is scary.

I don't know what anybody's motives are.

So then it's good, right?

 

You cannot determine the value of “c” in c= (a)(b) without knowing the value of “b”.
Currently what we have shown is that “c” = results, “a” = right-wing, and “b” = effort
If the value of “b” is zero, then by the rule of mathematics, “c” is also zero.

Silly question.

I read that book and many times passed by the intersection of Haight and Octavia. Coincidentally, the Zen Center is one intersection up at 300 Page.

Because that is the creed of this country and is inherent in our founding documents: it’s all about equality.

Another throw away statement.

1) I’m well versed in Vonnegut
2) Your readings on the three totalitarians are very bad: research them.
3) Loughner acted out of paranoia of the US government

The rest of your post is ridiculous and a simple mix of rhetorical questions that do nothing for the discussion.
If you can’t be more substantive in your replies, then I will stop responding. You’ve already admitted that the right-wing does nothing for this country, so the onus is still on you to prove (if you wish) that right-wing has any legitimate purpose in this country.

 

And both are oppresive and militaristic. For this USA has not a real left wing.

 

Then give me a silly answer.

 

Okay, we're done: you've admitted that the right-wing is useless; thank you.

 

How is the left oppresive and militaristic?

 

MMM, the socialists of the URSS for example.

But I was talking about the American Liberals and the supposed left of America the so called Democrats, that they aren't leftist people, are the moderate right.

 

What, besides the propaganda, is left about the URSS?