What happens to the right wing/ conservatives in a post trump era?

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  1. Lesh

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    There are a significant number of Republicans who are the following

    They've gone full on Trump

    Full on gun nut

    Full on anti-abortion

    Full on deficit/tax cut

    Full on anti-education

    Full on privatization

    Full on anti-science

    Full on religious right

    Full on racist

    Full on nationalist

    Full on anti-immigrant

    They don't even pretend any more

    That is not by any stretch of the imagination "moderate"
     
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  2. btthegreat

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    Psst, hey Rob, gotta a secret to whisper. Donald Trump is not especially conservative and he is not anti-establishment. He is a populist unorthodox candidate stylistically, with very establishment views. He is not ideologically driven to pursue any policies. He is ego driven to pursue the limelight. As for the swamp. he did not drain it. HE FLOODED IT.
     
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  3. Derideo_Te

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    Thank you for establishing that you have ZERO grasp of the role of the CURRENT greed obsessed private sector and NONE WHATSOEVER of the role of the government of We the People.

    The SOLITARY objective of the greed obsessed private sector is EXPLOITATION for PROFIT and the ONLY people who receive the benefit of that exploitation are SHAREHOLDERS. Paying POVERTY level wages is EXPLOITATION of We the People.

    The PRIMARY objective of the Government OF the People and BY the People is to PROVIDE for the WELFARE of We the People. That means STOPPING the greed obsessed private sector FROM exploiting We the People.

    Now until you can demonstrate that you understand these BASIC principles there is NOTHING further to discuss.

    Have a nice day!
     
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    https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

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  5. quiller

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    A couple more justices to the far right of Antonin Scalia, and reducing John Roberts in rank to just another justice...yeah, I can see us swinging around. But without that demotion Roberts remains the Deep State operative on that court.

    As for Trump, that branch office in Vaduz wasn't supposed to be announced until the Liechtenstein Diet cashed the check. After Obama they thought the check would bounce like his policies.
     
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  6. quiller

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    Greed is good. Greed works. Gordon Gekko said that. And it's absolutely true, within the law. You presume all capitalism, all business for profit, is bad.

    Yes, please! Encourage bankruptcies and discourage start-ups because they might succeed and make a profit! Don't put food on your family's table because somebody thought your right to make your OWN way in life is somehow wrong, that you must be punished by idiots too lazy to go get busy themselves.

    My father never once missed a payday to his employees. Two put their kids through college.

    Your premise is false. Capitalism makes our country go round. Without taxes there are no schools, and without them we have Detroit. Leftists yowling over other people's money got THEIR schools down where they are.

    Capitalism made this country strong. If you want communism move elsewhere. The private sector pays the taxes which pay for leftist programs where they can snivel Big Gummint isn't doing enough. This includes Congressional salaries where the Democrat senators or congresscreatures pay a tiny fraction of their salary to their office-serfs.

    Jobs bad! Profit bad! We must starve to be good anticapitalists! Everyone must starve with us! Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders has five mansions and wants to steal and redistribute our own money.

    Waiting for handouts, or stealing through looting, is the leftist way. Business is self-disciplined. Mob idiocy is not. Businesses where hard work is done will succeed far faster than waiting for a welfare check.
     
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    Thank you for CONFIRMING that you do NOT have any relevant subject matter knowledge regarding the greed obsessed neoliberal capitalism LOOTING and EXPLOITING hardworking Americans and even LESS about the role of the government of We the People.

    Have a nice day!
     
  8. quiller

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    What, may I ask, is neoliberal capitalist? Or neocon, for that matter. The terminology of the terminally dense corn-fuses me. Is that like Neo with the plug in his head? That one's a liberal thing, keeps them in touch with their hive. Liberal capitalists? Who? With money NOBODY is liberal unless that money is someone else's. This is why we have Democrats, to spend it.
     
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    Puerile non sequitur drivel duly noted and ignored for obvious reasons.
     
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    Thank for admitting to being confused about our current exploitative neoliberal economic system so here are some links that might ENLIGHTEN you so that you can engage in actual substantive debate in the future.

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/neoliberalism.asp

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot
     
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    George Monbiat is best known in conservative circles as the one so crazy that the term "moonbat" was created. (Look it up, it's true.) Moonbats are what we today call Democrats.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moonbat

    The Guardian of course never met a Fabian socialist they couldn't tongue-bathe. Their advice as foreign voyeurs is exactly identical to how the UK might view my opinions of their monarchy. The U.S. pols they endorse surely resemble that entitled assemblage.

    Leftist fairness! Leftist democracy! Freedom of speech! Not with Democrats.

    New York Tmes fired its own op-ed page editor last week because Sen. Tom Cotton wrote a letter and after publishing it the reporters went nuts because Cotton is a Republican. Then the Slimes apologized for evben printing it when six remaining readers wanted to cancel subscriptions, having clutched their pearls until the cords broke.(How dare the other side be heard! What IS this, journalism?!?!?)

    The one-sided thing is a Democrat hallmark and the Slimes their house organ. George Monbiat? Truthfully, I can't pin down just how far nuts he is, compared to the rest of the Democrats. These days it's hard to sort.
     
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    Ten is a significant number?
     
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  13. quiller

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    I will believe that jive about tax cuts reducing our deficit when Democrats grow bat-wings and fly off to their lunar hive. Fiat money drives them. Just print more, no worries.
     
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    "They've gone full on Trump"
    Yes, because there's no alternative.

    "Full on gun nut"
    There is no significant number of gun nuts.

    "Full on anti-abortion"
    Yes. Is this bad?

    "Full on deficit/tax cut"
    Yes significant, but not enough.

    "Full on anti-education"
    Zero is not a significant number.

    "Full on privatization"
    Where is this even discussed?

    "Full on anti-science"
    Again, zero is not a significant number.

    "Full on religious right"
    Yes. Is this bad?

    "Full on racist"
    No, not a significant number. Judging by what is on cable talk shows, there are many more openly racist leftists than Republicans.

    "Full on nationalist"
    I honestly don't know if there is a significant number, or not. Again though; is this bad?

    "Full on anti-immigrant"
    No, not a significant number. I suppose there probably are some, but if so, they sure aren't public about it.
     
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    Congratulations!

    You have utterly DISQUALIFIED yourself from any further meaningful interaction as far as I am concerned given the vapid and vacuous content of your puerile responses.

    Have a nice day!
     
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    Gotta tell ya, folks, I am simply crushed by his failure to address the craziness of George Moonbat.

    And he got my order wrong. I ordered the extra fries.
     
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    You'd probably have to look past 2024 to see that (I dont see Biden winning the election). The former GOP - weak, scared, do-nothing, and pliable is long gone. Trump was just a reflection of the change in attitude.
     
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    No more sad and pathetic than voting Democratic because one can't get passed the lies one's grandma told one.
     
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    Hopefully, they won't act like the lefties that lost to Trump in 2016 have acted.
    Jezz what a bunch to deal with.
     
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    I think it will go back into "autopsy" mode. Where in a cathartic moment, they will "suddenly" realize that Trump was actually a bad guy. There will be a brief period of resistance. Looking for somebody who can do "the idol's" job while he's in prison... Jared? Junior? (no... they'll be in prison too)... Some paper idols will apply for the job. I see Nunes, Pence, ... maybe DeSantis or Jim Jordan.... But finally, his white supremacist base will go back into the closet (where they belong), and the rest will just do what they have always done: line up and vote for whomever they are told to vote for by Fox and their echo-chamber.

    A third party might split their ranks for a while. But by the 2026 midterms (maybe by 2024) they will have re-aligned as if nothing had happened.
     
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    The US political parties are not really political parties in the sense that European political parties are, ours are really two broad coalitions that include a lot of sometimes contradictory interests (Democrats: Police Unions and BLM / Republicans: Immigration Restrictionists and Open Borders Wall Street).

    So I think what we may see in the future is one party as having normal people, and one party as being "woke." Right and Left coalitions may be breaking down.
     
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    I predict, once Trump leaves office (hopefully in January), GOP members will be scrambling to distance themselves from him and the growing QAnon insanity. Especially when we see the economy continue to be in the gutter, along with our reputation internationally, and as the dollar weakens to a state so bad that inflation seems out of control. God help us if he wins another term.
     
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    Weird, I sneeze wrong, and they ban me.
     
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    So much straw, so little time.
     
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    No you won't and you are wrong not right. The very fact that you must compel people to behave as you desire shows you to be wrong as dies the fact that you side with criminals and against most others. By the way that little mob of yours in the middle of Washington's largest city is going to cost the Democrats the election and possibly the house.
     
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