What is the best way to deal with racial divisionist?

1. We have different definitions of terrorism. Mine is a man sits amongst church goers for an hour before shooting and killing nine people including a politician in a historically black church. This is probably the same definition prosecutors go by.

2. Those cases were already big in the media before the President's attention was demanded for it. Racially charged accusations were flying before Obama gave his input.

3. Fair. That city and state had that responsibility. Since that failure occured, people demanded attention from someone with more power to help. The President.

4. The examples you guys are giving demonstrate the demand that there be double standards between races. Unreasonable. I'm not seeing a single example where Obama has stoked racial tensions and divisions. Frankly, it looks like he's dragged into racial discussions kicking and screaming.

 

I provided two VERY REASONABLE examples of Obama stoking racial tensions, and I even provided reasonable commentary on what he has to gain by doing so.

You do know that stoking means adding fuel to the fire don't you? The president, by his purposeful actions, highlighting obscure local incidents that are already racially charged, thus putting them into the national spotlight, is the very definition of adding fuel to the fire.

 

This claim has yet to be demonstrated. All there is to offer are "weigh-ins" that other politicians including George Bush take part in. Yet Obama is the #1 divider. Doesn't make sense.

 

You didn't factor in former President Bush or Conservatives who had something to say about these high profile cases. If you can say that yes they too contributed to racial divisions and tensions, then yes you gave two solid examples. Otherwise it is unreasonable to blame Obama because he just added his two cents like everyone else.

 

For starters, whether or not Obama purposefully stokes racial tensions has absolutely zero to do with anything done by Bush, Conservatives, or anyone else for that matter. With that being said, to what cases are you referring regarding Bush or any other president? You say high profile......You do realize that the reason those two cases were so high profile were specifically BECAUSE Obama weighed in on them. The facts were not known in either case, and the investigations just begun when Obama brought them literally into the international spotlight. If you refer to another president, lets say for example Bush talking about the 9/11 hijackers, that is NOT an example of him making an incident high profile. At any rate, state your examples, and we can make a comparison; but do know, whether Obama stoked racial tensions or not, is NOT dependent upon the actions of anyone else. That calculation stands solely upon his own actions.

 

I do not empathize. For one thing, I don't see him as worse than any other murderer. For another, I don't much care whether he dies of an overdose of sleeping pills or from being roasted over a slow fire, as long as he dies.

OTOH, if it could be shown that he's a Manchurian Candidate I'd reconsider.

 

Poignant

 

I think there is really only one way to end racism.

Make us all so that we're one color.

And that color should be blue.

Although it wouldn't end other forms of bigotry.

But the reason for racism is essentially xenophobia. People with different colors of skins are scary and a possible threat to the white tribe.

 

Don't 'pick one, because you will be wrong too often. Some kill a bunch of people because they are thugs. some people kill because they are really very mentally ill and need help. some people are mentally competent thugs , but who also have contributory mental illness and need help for that.

 

Not true. The cases got national attention before Obama said anything:

"The local authorities at first declined to make an arrest, citing Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense. Protests exploded nationally. Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea assumed totemic power. Celebrities—the actor Jamie Foxx, the former Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm, members of the Miami Heat—were photographed wearing hoodies. When Representative Bobby Rush of Chicago took to the House floor to denounce racial profiling, he was removed from the chamber after donning a hoodie mid-speech...the Republican governor of Florida, Rick Scott, who appointed the special prosecutor who ultimately charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder."
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In this incident, the Democrats probably didn't want it to looked like Republicans cared more about doing something about the incident so they pushed Obama to say something. Anyway, Obama said something after the story got wings, not before.

This article highlights how the other case went viral then national. It will demonstrate that Obama had nothing to do with an already exploding situation. When he said something, it was after the fact.
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The Best Way to deal with them?

Don't Vote for ANY Democrat.... Until the Democrats Scream and Holler for an End to Affirmative Action and ALL Government Institutionalized Racial Differential Treatment.

In short, White Americans need to Vote their Racial Interests, which is essentially, to vote against Democrats, until they support TRUE-EQUALITY and the 14 Amendment!

We're going to have to get enough non-Democrats into office, to get a majority in the Supreme Court who will rule against Affirmative Action, before this will get any better.

It simply may be too late, the country may split apart into Ethnic Enclaves, before corrective action can be applied.

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I posted proof earlier.

 

Not necessarily. The goal of terrorism is to terrorize, to literally single out this group and say "You're next." But by all accounts, Roof acted alone and he even said what he wanted to incite was a "race war". In his twisted, deluded mind by getting numerous Americans killed, he was helping to "restore America".

I imagine it will be tried federally, but not as an act of terror. But rather to add the hate crime label to it(which I normally oppose, but support for this case) since South Carolina doesn't have a Hate Crime Law.(I bet they're going to change that in the next legislative sesssion)

True, the media does indeed stoke the flames. But like Samuel Jackson said "Be (bleeping) Presidential." It was the President's job to at least try to invoke calm in the situation. The President does this, in effect by being a leader of the Nation. By which, we mean absolutely neutral. By sending the DOJ to these various cases, and in essence launching an independent investigation(and I doubt in coordination with the State/city's investigation), Obama's essentially saying "I'm here for you."

(Attending the funerals of these types of people also adds fuel to that obvious sentiment). From "He acted stupidly", to "I had a son", to(Michelle): "This is the first time I loved this country", the racial amnosity from the Obama Administration is plainly obvious. Eric Holder showed you how unprofessional he was, by blaming the House doing its job, on his racial ethnicity! No, you being black didn't send guns over to Mexico, or keep you from withholding information.

In many ways, it's somewhat unfair to Loretta Lynch that she was viewed in the same lenses as Holder, but he was so racist, so dysfunctional of an AG that no opposition party would respect an Obama pick. If Lynch can't successfully distance herself from those kind of statements and policies, she's probably out of a job in 2017 with a Republican President.

And pray tell, how the President could've helped with the tragedy other than how he responded(with FEMA, etc). Should it have been faster? Certainly. But Bush already had everything conspiring against him(largely by his own doing, but still) by that time. Katrina was kicking the dog while he was down.

I disagree, Obama knew what the job's terms were when he took it. He could have tried governing the Nation, for the Nation but that's not what he tried to do. He tried to "touch" on sensitive spots for the minority community and in so doing, undermined the much larger, law-abiding community in general. If he got "dragged in, kicking and screaming" his own ideological outlook towards the "they/us" politics did him in.

Democrats have tried to build a "coalition", this is what happens when that coalition has no shred of national pride or love for country.

 

The first article doesn't say that Obama divided anything. It just demonstrates that while he was in office an already tense race relations was deteriorating. Here's the division:

Those divisions are laid bare in the split reactions to the decisions by two grand juries not to indict white police officers who killed unarmed black men in Ferguson, Mo., and Staten Island, N.Y. Both times, protesters responded with outrage and politicians called for federal investigations. Yet Americans don’t think of the cases as a matched set of injustices, the poll found.

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The second article just talks about how an already divided nation is still divided.

 

Well, you can't really have racial harmony and white supremacy at the same time. Certainly not given the country's history. And I'm not just talking about the overt white sheet wearing type, all white supremacy- the type on display in this forum every day. That can't coexist, or at least a significant amount of it can't coexist with racial harmony. But, if we can eliminate white supremacy, or get close to it, then we'll have racial harmony. Until we do, we'll have racial tension and division. It's that simple.

The good news is, it isn't actually that hard to eliminate. Most communities in most parts of the country did it a long time ago. You just stop tolerating it. If you hear somebody say or do something white supremacist at work, you report them and they get fired that same day. If somebody in your personal life says or does something white supremacist, you cut ties with them and you tell them clearly exactly why you did it. If you overhear a stranger say something white supremacist, you don't just ignore it, you go over to them, tell them that they're immoral and idiotic and that they should be ashamed of themselves. Do it loud enough that everybody around hears what they did or said. That kind of stuff. Once you start doing that, white supremacy disappears overnight.

 

Judging by the FBI's definition of terrorism, I partially disagree with your first point:

Domestic terrorism means activities with the following three characteristics:​

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  [*=2]Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
  [*=2]Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
  [*=2]Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.
  
  

I rather the authorities stack as many charges on him so he can't slither out from anything.

Your second point highlights a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation. Being presidential requires taking a direction. He can't be presidential while ignoring people demanding his attention (being neutral). Heck even Bush helped the Katrina victims and they weren't his constituents. Sometimes you gotta jump in and try and stop the madness. Not to say Obama could stop the madness when he tried. But he didn't cause those divisions or raise tensions further than they already were.

For your point about Bush, I said to another poster that the local governing parties in that area were in charge of that area. When they failed to help in a substantial way, those victims screamed for a person with a little more power to do something, who happened to be Bush. I'm not knocking Bush in this thread.

I have mixed feelings about your last two posts. Some I agree with, some I don't. But the them us politics is age-old in America. Republican vs Democrat. Each will try to drum up the motivations to drive their supporters and fence-sitters to the polls.

 

Are you talking about the white supremacy that died out or what you imagine?

 

Wrong on both accounts. The first article is about a poll that shows the majority of Americans disagree with you and the second is an article that shows racial division has worsened under Obama. I certainly do not remember any riots when Bush was president.

 

A white supremacist just murdered 9 people... There are around 1,800 hate crimes committed against black people a year. There are over 850 expressly white supremacist groups in the US at present... WTF are you talking about?

But those guys- the ones who openly identify as white supremacist- are just barely the tip of the iceberg. Most of the problem is people who support white supremacist positions on just about everything, but tell themselves that they're not racist.

 

For those who live in a vacuum here are some facts you might want
to look at.

https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Black_supremacy

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Black_supremacy

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Black_supremacism

 

Oh, yeah, the like 200 black supremacists in the country, who mostly make a living by appearing on Fox "News", are a super important issue lol...

 

I basically copied my second sentence from your article. The following block is copied verbatim from the same article. Also, plenty of riots occurred under the Bush presidency.

 

This post is pretty much typical of the ignorance of today's progressive liberal.

 

Lemme guess, you also think anti-Christian hate crime is a super big deal don't you lol? Ahh Foxwatchers...

 

You mean don't think that the war on Christmas is as devastating as and has left the carnage that the Viet Nam or Iraq war did?