Apparently your version of "Facts" does not equate to what science, study, education, popular opinion, humans in general, or anything existing outside of you mind considers to be factual reality. Thus....I am pleased to spring it to you, are your opinions disregarded in serious discussion.
Sigh, another person misunderstanding the scientific term "theory". Even a quick Google gives us "A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation." So while evolution cannot be "proven" it does offer us the best explanation of the diversity of life. Nothing else even comes close, including Creationism. As I showed on my thread The Central Flaw of Creationism/Intelligent Design, Creationism does not qualify as a scientific theory. What is funny is that in the scientific community, there are no alternatives to evolution at all so there is no controversy. The controversy is when theists feel that their beliefs are under attack because evolution does not require a God for it to work. Of course that doesn't mean that God couldn't have created evolution, which is what the Pope believes, but some people are less secure about their beliefs.
To be honest, neither do I. Evolution can certainly co-exist with religious beliefs about our origins. But some religious folks feel threatened by it. Evolution would certainly contradict those who believe in Young Earth claims, but those folks are only a minority I believe. Well, when it comes to evolution versus other theories, the evidence stands in the corner of evolution. One day if that's no longer the case, if the evidence points elsewhere, that's where the scientific community will go. That's why it's silly when religious folks try to argue against evolution without offering a competing theory or any kind of evidence for anything at all other than their beliefs. People can actually look at and understand the evidence for evolution. We can even witness it in action. There are no competing theories, religious or otherwise, that offer that level of confirmation. So when religious folks do try to argue against it, some people are going and in so doing it helps lead them away from the magic of religion(in the literal sense) to the even more magical(in the metaphorical sense) world of understanding how our universe works through science. But don't get me wrong, I don't think you can replace religion with science. They are mostly separate and independent things. It's only when one tries to claim the other's "ground" that conflict arises. I hope for a world where religion does not try and pretend to be science, and science does not try to pretend to be religion. However, in areas where the religious explanations for the physical world are what is driving a person's faith, the scientific evidence backed explanations may cause a person to question that faith.
I don't know about the helmets, but the belt buckles said "Gott mit uns". (God with us) The Nazi's claimed God was on their side.
Nor does it say a damn thing about abortion, lesbians, bakeries, or any number of things Christians seem to attribute to it.
So, another 'debate' about ID vs ToE... nobody wants to address the OP? Why the hysteria, if it is just a dry, intellectual concept of science? What's the big deal?
Some people take this theory as an assault on religious dogma. Some scientists (Dawkins) misuse this theory to argue against God existing. Thus, the extremes in each camp create controversy for a theory that has nothing to do with God. Both camps are fanatic zealots that are arguing about how a scientific theory affects religious beliefs. These type of arguments are petty for both sides. Dawkins and et. al. should recognize that this theory is not about God. The religious zealots should recognize that this theory is not about God. When two stubborn groups meet, controversy ensues.
Evolution provides the main paradigm for all of biology and a lot of the entirety of modern science. The fact that species come about through evolution is part and parcel of how all life is interrelated. Even stars evolve and a Universe that doesn't flys in the face of EVERYTHING we know, not just all biology but all Astronomy, Physics, Chemistry, Physiology, everything
I NEVER bring up god or any religious texts in any of my arguments & threads about the ToE. Yet, i am constantly bombarded with off topic, irrelevant, religious based arguments, that have no bearing on the points i make. Why? Why are ALL of the threads or discussions about the ToE constantly degenerated to shouting matches of religious hysteria, with the naturalists doing most of the shouting? You don't see any religious fanaticism there? I see this as 2 RELIGIOUS based arguments, with religious arguments, religious hysteria, & religious intolerance driving the discussion. There is no rational discussion about science, but it ALWAYS becomes religious shouting matches. The attempt to call one, 'science' & the other 'religion' is a phony narrative.. an attempt by the naturalists to take the high moral ground, & pretend scientific empiricism, when they are just as religious, or even more so, than the supernaturalists.
The bible doesn't say a single word about being gay, and it promotes murder, genocide and child sacrifice.
Next time please use google before you mate your first statement. http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Homosexuality/ As for murder, where in the Bible says that? As for genocide, Genesis 6 comes into play as to why they sometimes killed everything. As for child sacrifice, where?
And? Not a single word about gay being a sin. . Killing everything would be both murder and genocide. Abraham
I never said that you bring God or religious texts into the arguments. I said that people think evolution is an assault on religious dogma. Some scientists (like Dawkins) make it an assault, but they are wrong. Just like the people who think it is an assault. It is just a theory. There are many other theories with less evidence than ToE, but it receives the most attention. I am not saying one argument is better. Why does everything have to be better or worse? I am saying that ToE has nothing to do with religious dogma, yet people on both sides make it about religious dogma. The arguments for or against a religious belief are different than ones used for or against a scientific belief. It seems that you are feeling oppressed by a few fanatical scientists (and people who nothing of science but post that religious people are stupid). They do not represent the scientific community as a whole, but they are the ones that get the most attention. The same for people who have religious beliefs and still believe science. Some of the people with religious beliefs perceive ToE as an assault on their religious beliefs, but they are not represent the majority of people with religious beliefs. They are the people who get the most attention. Thus, you have two attention grabbing groups that feel they are incapable of being wrong. When forces like that meet, controversies, misrepresentations, and disingenuous claims ensue. I am a researcher, but not in evolutionary biology. My interest is more academic than trying to prove someone wrong. I post in these types of threads to debate scientific topics that are controversial. I like to see the opinions and beliefs of people who differ from me. I try to steer them toward a productive conversation about how you could create another theory about speciation or the origins of life and how the current arguments against ToE are flawed. Since you thought I was accusing you of this, I will address you directly. There are many theories with less proof than ToE. Why do you only post in threads in science that post about things that could relate to origins of species or life in general?
I have accused you of nothing. I post in a lot of threads, ranging from political, to philosophical, to scientific. I do not 'feel' oppressed by evolutionists, or their arguments. If anything *I* am doing the 'oppressing'. I am the one who knocks. My reason is sound. I understand the issues. My logic is impeccable (nobody pecks my logic! ). It is only my deep sense of humility that restrains me in my discussions in these threads.. I also see no difference between the hysteria of ID or that of the ToE. BOTH are religious opinions about origins, & neither has a repeatable, observable mechanism to define the process. The ToE tries to seize the narrative of being 'science', believing that gives them more credibility, but that is merely a propaganda meme, with no empirical basis. So i don't accept your attempt to push me into a partisan box. I'm a scientifically minded person, who can differentiate between beliefs & facts... i 'get' the scientific method better than most, & can apply it to the real world. I make no religious arguments in scientific threads. I will post philosophical arguments in philosophical threads, or look to the basis of ideology in political threads, and can even debate some religious tenets of faith in those kinds of threads. But in an evolution thread, with empirical science as the confines, i stick with the science. It is more than adequate for that subject. Truth has a way of overcoming flawed reason, mistakes, superstition, & even propaganda. Sometimes it has an uphill battle against the status quo, but it usually wins in the long run... at least it has up to now. I have no agenda. I'm retired, but i used engineering principles, mathematics, science, & other empirical processes all my life. My interests in this subject are purely academic, which is why i find the hysteria attached to it so interesting. It proves to me that this is not merely a dry debate of nerdy science issues, but strikes at the core of worldviews. It therefore is clearly a religious or philosophical opinion, because the actual science behind it is pathetic. But i also *get* that most people will defend their religious views to the death (some promote them to the death), so it is a Common Human Thing. That does not escape my analysis of the philosophical nature of the ToE, & the True Believers who propagate it. I'm also a free American.. far be it from me to deny anyone the right to believe as they wish. My only problem is when they force their beliefs on everyone else.. that is particularly UN-American. But that is another topic, for another thread.
Relax .. All will be well on planet Earth. --------------------- People who are afraid of the other terrible disasters, as a rule, do not have a decent education ... ------------------------- There should be sent to Siberia, so they're doing real work, instead of sitting with a computer on the Internet ... ========================================= Give them an ax, a shovel, a saw ... let business deal
Leviticus 18:22. It's an abomination to lie with mankind as with womankind. Seriously how can that NOT be saying homosexuality is a sin? It would if they were human. Read carefully. In the KJV God told Abraham to OFFER him as a burnt offering not to sacrifice. It'll be like me telling you to prepare the stage for a play, not do a play. - - - Updated - - - Yes. Have ever bothered to read it without looking for faults?
another jerk crawled out of the bushes ... ------------ American morning came - so expect a zombie, like this ...
