What is the bottom line?

All your argument amounts to is opinions unsupported claims and attacks on my character.

I clearly disagree with your opinions. Any claims you made without evidence dismissed without evidence. And your personal attacks are comical.

So I rest my case. Argue against the points I made demonstrate that my opinion is unreasonable prove your claims or we're done here.

Acting as though errors in typing amount to cognitive ability is probably a method you use to save face.

 

I find this statement to be dishonest. You aren't interested and learning what different posters think. I can only assume by your behavior here that you are merely interested in ridiculing people who don't agree with you.

That to me is indicative of insecurity

 

And so your point is that corporations are paying their employees well? LOL!!!!!

 

I answered you in post 110. You posted only opinions in post 111. I responded, and still I have seen nothing from you but opinions and a few personal attacks. And now you criticize me for posting "opinions" that are mostly widely known facts? LOL!!!

Listen, if you want to bow out and quit, feel free. Your approach isn't getting us anywhere anyway.

 

In your case that is very easy. You started out with the obviously ridiculous position that the problem is the culture. I read that to my wife and she couldn't stop laughing.

 

You claimed to be ingested in what I think in your OP. Of you didn't want an opinion what the hell did you ask for one for?

With your opinion. We disagree. That's how opinions work. If you don't want them don't ask people what they think.

If they were widely known facts they'd be easy to prove. You criticised me for giving you the opinion you asked for in your Op. If you didn't want opinions don't ask for them.

You bowed out the moment you began caterwalling about the opinion you asked for. You further haven't proven your claims. Simply claiming your claims are well known facts is also a claim you made without evidence and I dismiss it without evidence.

You can step up and present evidence at any time. I take your lack of supporting evidence to mean you have none.

I simply rest my case. You claimed things to be facts the burden of proof is on you.

 

Just because you wish my position to be ridiculous doesn't make it so. Your opinion is noted. You have failed to prove it ridiculous sand you use phrases such as "well known facts" and "obviously ridiculous" as a way to attempt to weasle out of your burden of proof. If it's so obvious and well known it should be easy to prove. Get cracking on it smart guy.

So?

 

What's the point of corporations and government doing a little tit for tat if the government's powers are strictly limited and there is no room for the creation of cartels and elimination of their competition?

The Feds haven't always had near-complete power. The influence of money was far less back when most of the power was reserved to the states.

 

I can sum it up in two words - extreme liberalism. Note that I've italicised 'extreme', because just like extremism in anything else, it leads to unwanted consequences. Like religion, fanatical dogma in action is the curse of mankind.

 

Why can’t you make a sensible reply to the subject under discussion instead of regurgitating that old tired out left right garbage, it contributes nothing and is frankly very boring. Alternatively you could just sit back and read the intelligent posts, you may learn something, if it can pierce that bubble you appear to live in.

 

I take it you're a liberal?

 

"Liberalism:

• n. A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority.
• n. The tenets or policies of a Liberal party.
• n. An economic theory in favor of laissez-faire, the free market, and the gold standard."

-American Heritage Dictionary

 

No, I’m not a Liberal, I’m a Socialist but to the left of Bernie Sanders. Though I don’t believe in a government takeover of the means of all production i.e. why should the government want to run Big Mac, KFC or Bert’s corner shop. But it should control the vital services such as Water, Power, Health (under a single payer system) etc in the interests of all its citizens and the rest to be run by private business for a reasonable profit, though with union representation should their workers want one. A living wage for all, not a minimum wage. Plus six weeks paid holiday per year, maternity leave for both male and female etc and for private business to pay their taxes in full. If I were American I would go further, much further.

 

Value hierarchies are the bottom line.

The only way a being can act in the world is through the establishment of a hierarchy of value. Whether or not these hierarchies can be established as objective is the underlying argument of the bottom line.

Are the post modernists correct in their belief that are infinite equal hierarchies of value? If so then the only way to act in the world is to exercise power impose one hierarchy over the other.

Are the nihilist's correct in the belief that value does not exist? If so, then the only rational response is the destruction of all consciousness. Want to know why so many mass shootings recently? Read what Dylan Klebold had to say about it. It was due, for him at least, in a complete loss of faith in value systems.

And then there's those that think that values exist outside of the human experience. That they are objective and real no matter what people perceive. I think this last group is growing smaller, (and or more diverse in their opinion of what the objective truth is). That is what is responsible for our current chaos, as the other groups attempt to assert themselves into the void.

 

That's even worse!! They're both idealistic, but the trouble is that neither of them works in practice.

 

Calm down, you have nothing get upset about, after all I’m sure that a few crumbs will fall from the high tables of the Walton family (USD 149 billion), the Koch family (USD 86 billion) and the Mars family (USD 80 billion, to take care of you in your old age.