What is the Probability that Everything That is Called Nature Happened by Chance?

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  1. Questerr

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    That's not necessarily true. We know that gravity warps space-time and that space-time is generally curved. The current model is that we are on the inside of an expanding sphere. The space in side is finite, but because the outer edge of the sphere is expanding faster than the speed lf light, if you went to the edge of the universe, it would appear infinite.
     
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    Oh look another religious intellectual who doesn't understand what the word "theory" means.
     
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    Try to find a creo who understands what either the word "theory'; or "chance" means.

    A snowflake forms by chance. Yet, there it is.
     
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    Oh look, another holier than thou that doesn't know what a religious intellectual is, or isn't. But then, like the cons, when you get your clock cleaned in debate, you double down on stupidity.
     
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    What you assume, and what is are far apart. You really should quit pretending you know what you're talking about. It exposes your ignorance. But I credit your gallantry, she needs all the help she can get.
    http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usMsTPg-hHk
    Yeah, it's kinda long, but it does give some good explanations of quantum mechanics.
     
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    You have noticed have you not that there are religious intellectuals and there is the great unwashed, what i call the
    "trailer parkers"?

    My inlaws are of the intellectual sort. But then, they are not fundys.
    Very few fundys are well educated.
    None can maintain their beliefs with intellectual integrity.

    We dont find any creationtsts who seem to know what a scientific theory is.

    They sure dont know what the ToE is about.

    You disagree with that?
     
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    Sorry, I prefer to read about science rather than watch it on videos. Science video is nearly always too simplistic and often inaccurate. If you have any text links that describe how quantum mechanics is total chaos, I might read those - even though I've already read a fair amount about quantum mechanics and it's already abundantly clear that describing it as 'total chaos' is exactly the kind of oversimplification and inaccuracy I speak of that is so common in the pop-science that constitutes the vast majority of videos on the topic.
     
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    And what lies beyond the sphere? more space.
     
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    You don't understand. There isn't a such thing as "beyond the sphere". The outer edge of the sphere is expanding space-time.

    Asking what is beyond the sphere would be like asking what is outside reality. It's non-sensical.
     
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    You referred to quantum theory as "Just a theory". At that point, I don't care how stupid I look, you don't understand what a scientific theory is.
     
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    What is the sphere expanding into?
     
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    What is outside reality? Ha.

    Creationists.

    And they are nonsensical.

    That was too easy.
     
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    Nothing, and the utter nonsensical nature of things like this is part of the reason why advanced physics is so incredibly hard to grasp. It makes no sense for something to expand and not have some space to expand into. But it also makes no sense for something to gain weight when it moves faster, or for lines whose inner angles are not 180 to not cross. Intuition is utterly useless in advanced quantum mechanics.
     
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    It's not expanding into anything. The universe is the expansion. Reality itself is expanding.
     
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    There is nothing that the sphere is expanding into. Of course little minds can't really comprehend either "zero" or "infinity" so this is beyond the ability of those with little minds to understand. How many can actually understand that when both one and two are each divided by zero the result is infinity which is equal to infinity. Two is double what one is but the result of division by "nothing" (zero) is equal.

    There is nothing outside of the universe regardless of how much it expands. "Outside of the universe" doesn't actually exist. There are, perhaps, other universes but outside of ours there is nothing. The universe is not expanding into anything but merely changing size over time.
     
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    Definition of theory... an unproved assumption : conjecture... belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action... abstract thought : speculation
    NOT FACT
     
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    Right. And that is where you fail. The colloquial definition of "theory" is utterly different to the scientific definition.

    http://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html


    Don't like my source? Go find another one! Anyone who isn't Ken Ham or Kent Hovind will gladly tell you the difference between a theory in colloquial language and a scientific theory. When talking about science, you need to understand this distinction. Again, there's a reason it's called the theory of gravity.
     
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    to camp ::::::::::

    your question has been answered; but you want a different answer. you want a mount olympus answer. we do not have such a clean answer as olympus. if our answer of "infinity" is dirty for you, then that is it.

    beyond the sphere is more of the same roundness of the sphere.

    vlad

     
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    to stagnat ::::::::

    ??? why is gravity only a theory ??? (or do i not understand) ?? is gravity not a reality ??

    vlad
     
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    In science, a theory is a predictive model based on observed facts.
     
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    to phoebe bump :::::::::

    the ford taurus is not a "creation" it is a construction; it is a mechanical construction. it is based on mechanical laws from the science of physics. the science of physics itself is a creation; it is a creation of the creator, and the study of physics leads to the mechanical constructions such as the ford taurus.

    vlad

     
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    nothing about bat man either; not yet.

    vlad
     
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    thanks for your positive and supporting comment.

    vlad


     

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