What is wrong with abortion in the early stages of pregnancy?

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  1. Whaler17

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    I have proven you wrong on this repeatedly. Your argument is logically flawed. The zygote is the first stage of development of every human being. That is scientific fact. Now, if you want to argue that rights shouldn't be recognized until a certain age or stage of development we can argue which arbitrary threshold you would like to use, but your argument has been decimated.
     
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    In order to claim "homocide" you must prove "a living human" exists.

    Just because an entity will, in time, develop into a human, does not make that entity "a human"

    Example:

    At some point the heart does not exist. When the first cells are formed that will develop into a human heart.. that is not yet a human heart, it is a small part of a human heart.

    To prove a living human, you must prove not only that a functional human heart exists, but also that siginificant brain function exists.
     
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    1) The topic is abortion, not assault.

    2) "someone made a law" is not proof of anything. Stupid laws get passed all the time for a variety of reasons.

    3)Which state has laws that charges a woman with murder for abortion in the early stages of pregnancy ?

    As usual your claim has no merit on all three counts.
     
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    RRRRight You are far smarter than all these legislators in all these states.

     
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    Let me help you out by posting your definition of human being

    Note that the word "human" can be used as both a noun or an adjective. Now go re-read my post where I clarify that I am using "human" as an adjective.

    A zygote is a "human cell"

    Human here is used as an adjective to describe the type of cell.

    The zygote is not "a living human"

    Note in the term " a living human" Human is used as a noun.

    If you wish to debate this .. do feel free to provide a "subject matter expert" that claims a zygote is "a human being"

    Even if you come a developmental biologist that is so influenced by religious beliefs that he/she wants to make a case for zygote= human being (noun)

    You still have to contend with the fact this person is laughed out of the room by the vast majority of SME's.
     
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    I am not sure what you think you are accomplishing with this circle jerk, but the definition of a human being is a "person" .

    You said any human cell is a human being, so are you now saying that is NOT true?

    There is no such thing as a SME on whether or not a fetus is a human being, but it is self evident and many legal experts say a fetus is a human being.
     
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    A zygote is not a human being (noun) If you dont know the difference between an adjective and a noun go back to high school.

    The SME is human developmental biology. Not legal experts nor embryologists.

    There are other SME's that come in close second .. all however, come from the domain of Biology.

    Human developmental biologists do not consider the zygote to be homo sapien, nor do they consider it a human being (noun).
     
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    Your English lesson is meaningless, and there ARE NO SMEs on whether or not a fetus is a human being. NONE!!!

    Bark all you want, there is no such thing!
     
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    First off .. you are confused. We are talking about a zygote, not a fetus. Big difference !

    A human being is an organism .. The study of "organisms" is in the domain of Biology.

    One such branch that studies human development is developmental biology. As you might guess from the title, these folks study "the processes by which orgnanisms grow and develop".


    Taxonomy is another branch of biology that compares organisms and puts them into catagories.

    I am sure you have heard the term "Homo sapien" .. guess where this term comes from !

    If you answered Biology .. you would be correct ! and receive a red star.

    Whether is is a zygote or a Fetus, these folks are the SME's

    As usual .. you are talking out your backside.
     
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    The only REAL: difference is age. The difference between an infant and an adolescent!

    Your poor comprehension skills are no reflection on me Junior.
     
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    So now you are saying any human cell IS NOT a human being?

    WHat exactly are you trying to say, or do you even know?
     
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    First: Practitioners of human developmental biology, the study of "the processes by which orgnanisms grow and develop" are the subject matter experts. Certainly more so than you.

    2) These experts claim there is a difference between the fetus and the zygote. Make up your mind which one you are talking about.

    3) The subject matter experts disagree with your claim that they zygote is a living human.





    there is a big difference between a zygote and a fetus according to th
     
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    A human cell as the same status as the zygote. Neither is a "human being" (noun)

    A human cell is both "human" (adjective) .. and a being.

    Still waiting for your reference to a developmental biologist or text that supports your claim.
     
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    Well no (*)(*)(*)(*) Sherlock, there is a difference between an infant and an adolescent. You have no point!

    Your imaginary friends don't matter to be since they're not really real.
     
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    You are the one that claimed there is no difference between the zygote and fetus .. just admit your claim was false.

    The point here is that both an infant and adolescent are humans. The zygote is not a human.

    The science of human developmental biology is real .. whether you believe it or not.

    What is imaginary is that you have any support for your claim that a zygote is a human and that "any" abortion is homicide.

    The fact that you can not stay on point (confuse a single celled zygote with a fetus) .. is further testiment to that fact.
     
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    There is the same type of difference an infant has with an adolescent. Both human beings, you have not disputed that with anything credible.

    Because..... you said so? You are simply wrong.



    You would be hard pressed to nfins one of your SMEs who would back up your assertion that a human zygote isn't human. Unless his name is Cheech. :weed:


    Not so much. Your ability to see analogies and compare them is pathetic, and I am being generous here.
     

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