What is your idealized America?

Feel free to think of this thread as a pointless exercise in utopian fantasy. But if you would please ponder this question for at least the length of time that it takes you to read it:

What would be the realization of your idealized America? Most of the Americans, myself included, seem to be championing an ideal of some sort. I know what mine is, I'm curious to know what everyone else's is. I can kind of conjecture on what everyone's idealized nation (or perhaps lack thereof) might be like, but I'd like to hear it from everyone in their own words.

I'm picking on America for no greater reason than that it's where I live. People from other countries, do what you do.

 

First off,I'd have ALL the manufactoring jobs back in the states,so every able bodied person could find a job and keep it. Then I'd make sure we keep our noses out of every other countries business. Thats all I can come up with right now.

 

America without lobbying for the government. no money in political campaings of any kind. complete removal of all current leadership, to replace with decent Average Americans, who I sincerely believe from the bottom of my heart DO exist. only that will naturaly bring back America to it's finest. my faith is undying for this cause.

 

These both sound good. I think we should come up with some kind of Prime Directive rule like on Star Trek for messing around with other countries.

 

Right on. I share your optimism.

 

Ideally an America of some idealism.
There is a scene in John Adams I sympathized with where Thomas Jefferson voices his displeasure over having returned from revolutionary France, "where the streets were filled with the songs of liberty and brotherhood and the overthrow of the ancient tyrannies of Europe, to return from there to this, our cradle of revolution, to find the dinner table chatter is all of money and banks and authority to be an unwelcome surprise."

As of late I am less interested in grandiose plans because we as a people seem to have lost even our foundation. I am tired of hearing about wars and Empires and mortal enemies living in the caves of Afghanistan.

I would enjoy greatly to see the concept of civilization return to the American people. We behave like apes. I tire of the manner in which people talk to one another, especially those who they disagree with over the internet. It gives me little faith in humanity and leaves me with the conviction that we are living through a dark age. I would like to see the nihilism that has engulfed the American people come to an end and for a more spirited people take its place.

I see so many foundational issues that plague America that need be addressed and remedied before any ideal society can be created. No golden age can come from such a wretched society.

A libertarian victory would be a sound step in the right direction so that a new America can grow organically from within the soul of its people. That is preferable to a media manufactured destiny that serves nothing save a complete weakening of the human condition.

 

Very well-written! I don't think we're actually wretched, though.

 

Also,I'd like for all the people in charge of our governments,local and national,to start using some of the common sense that they seem to have forgotten.

 

QFMFT

Please government, allow your people to grow organically.

 

no poverty people don't have to work if they don't want to but still have all their basic rights like health care etc.. with a little extra spending cash for movies and treats.

no rich people everyone belongs to the middle class at different levels

 

Well hell,if thats the case,I'll just quit my job and then let the government take care of me and my family! There's no need for me to work if I have my healthcare covered and some extra money for seeing movies and other treats! Seriously,how old are you? Do you still live at home with mommy and daddy? Every (*)(*)(*)(*) post you make,its how the government needs to take care of people.GROW UP!!!

 

We have one- the Monroe Doctrine. Except we don't stick to our own rules.

 

One where we follow the constitution and stop interfering in foreign nations politics.

 

Wow. When it comes to liberals and socialism, they are completely moronic. Rich is a relative term. If you have more than someone, you are rich by their standards. If everyone has the same level of wealth, then we are all in poverty. And quite frankly, if everyone is allowed not to work but still get relativly the same as those that do work while still having their basic needs taken care of, who do you really think is going to actually work?

 

Current day technology. 1950s values. 1960s space program. 1980s-early 1990s sized military. 2002-2008 foreign policies. And 1983-84 economic growth.

My parents and all my loved ones alive.

 

And we are broke in 2 years. Cool.

 

Like we are now? And 1950s values would not have 50% of all Americans receiving some form of govt. assistance. And economic growth in the 5% plus range covers a multitude of sins.

 

Sorry, I didn't deversify on it all. The 50's values are a good thing, but I wouldn't say that is the reason that we have 50% of Americans revieving handouts. But never mind really, Sorry I responded to your post.

 

I don't see anything 'moronic' about opposing socialism.

Going back to the main issue, I'm guessing that my comments are going to be a little contraversial, but my own 'idealized' america would be along the same lines as my 'idealized' version of any massive super-state entity anywhere in the world. I believe that government can only operate on behalf of the people when the elected representatives within it are as close to the people as possible, and I don't believe an acceptable level of that is possible with such a vast entity as the USA. I don't think that a single elected representative at the top table of government should ever be representing more than about 100,000 people - anything more than that makes them inevitably an almost entirely remote figure from their electorate, operating more or less without reference to them.

I therefore would advocate a dissolution of the USA into its constituent 'states', all separate and fully independant, but working together (where they agree) within a much looser organisation involved in ensuring internal free trade, common defence, and so on (NOT dictating foreign policy - the states should do that for themselves, or in groups where they agree). I would remove the federal government and president altogether, and have only a kind of 'discussion and negotiation' organisation for the states to be members of, to provide the mechanism for them to work together on issues where they agree (and be free to leave altogether, if that's what their people choose, of course).

I feel exactly the same about any vast area/population 'state entity' - I oppose the continuing political integration of the EU for the same reasons, and also would support the break up of Russia and China into smaller states. I think history has proven that states which are too large can simply not operate effectively as democracies under the control of their people, and will inevitably become dominated, driven and run by and for a remote, central, corrupt 'elite' of some kind. That is as true of corporate-dominated USA as it is of authoritarian China and Russia, and is already being deonstrated by the 'technocratic' EU (which will only get worse if political and economic integration, under central control, continues).

 

America would adopt a strict policy of neutrality.

D.C would be purged of special intrest and corruption.

The two party strangle hold on our country would be broken.

Our southern border would be secure.

We would have adopted a two pronged approach for an energy policy, including renewable energy and the natural resources under our own soil.

Federal bureaucracies would have all law making power stripped from them.

Our eduction system would actually be competitive with the rest of the developed world.

The federal reserve would be done away with.

I have a list a mile long.

 

One where the family structure is still intact. Where people listen to their conscience rather than trying to BS their way out of it - accepting the morality they know to be true rather than trying to rationalize away whatever their ego desires. One where people are more focused on building up their own lives rather than tearing down others around them. One where people actually practice the standards they preach rather than just expecting others to practice them. One where honesty is valued greater than feelings.

An America filled with responsible and respectful adults.

 

Nonsense, that's the anti-prime directive.
It says that we see the new world as our backyard and we reserve the right to keep others out.

 

My ideal France would be protecting the weak, welcoming to foreigners, and embracing multiculturalism: it would have someone like Obama for President

 

My idea would be a citizenry bound to each other like the day after 9-11. We were a close knit family sharing a death blow to our brethren. It would be nice if this closeness could be felt without tragedy attached. There are many other things I agree with in this thread also, but the citizens have lost all cohesion in our union.

 

Every ethnicity living in their own separate regions. Working and going to school separately apart. And make sure each group gets a fair start to begin with. If certain groups thereafter drive themselves into impoverishment, too bad.

Face it, people just generally prefer being around people of their same ethnicity. And this would eliminate much of the racial tension at the same time.

I do not like it when liberals/leftists push their "utopian" vission of diversity onto everyone else in my society.