What Liberals Don’t Understand: A Serious Attempt at Gun Confiscation Could Lead to Civil War

What we don't need is lunatics inciiting violence

 

if I had a nickel for every time some extremist yapped and whined about "civil war", I'd be a rich man.

seems like a sick fantasy of the Right

 

This whole post is such a huge strawman that it only deserves this as an answer!

 

They don't want confiscation. They don't really even want less guns around.

All they want is to be able to comfort themselves when theres a shooting by being able to say 'well we banned those, not my problem.'

 

Nah they want to build the wall out of Hillary because they think no one can get over her!!

 

no one is afraid of and no one takes seriously all these doofy threats of "revolution" and "civil war" from RWers.

 

I know Prepper Dreamers

 

Yet there is no proof of such a thing. I'm still waiting for it out of Trump's commission on voters' fraud.

 

No kidding.

"Gun confiscation"? Yeah, right.

This thread belongs in the Humor Section.

"Gun Confiscation"?

 

Why can't you do this for yourself? Why would I want to lie about it? Get off your progressive victim high horse and think. You aren't that stupid.

http://triblive.com/state/pennsylvania/7523867-74/state-voters-pennsylvania

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/17/no-voter-fraud-isnt-myth-10-cases-where-its-all-to/

http://dailysignal.com/2015/05/22/ydont-believe-voter-fraud-happens-heres-some-examples/

http://www.politicspa.com/philly-election-board-worker-arrested-for-voter-fraud/55372/

http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/jack-kelly/2011/12/18/Voter-fraud-is-real/stories/201112180155

https://www.law360.com/articles/1016288/anti-voter-fraud-group-wants-pa-data-on-noncitizens

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...tch-allows-non-citizens-to-vote-in-elections/

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/p...istration-commissioners-penndot-20170920.html

http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/id-card-for-illegals-valid-for-voter-registration/

How does it benefit you to be so trusting on this topic? Anyone who wants a fair election would naturally want it checked and those guilty prosecuted. In my mind, there are only a few reasons someone would be so adamant about wanting proof of voter fraud.

~They may not understand how easy it really is to commit voter fraud.
~They may vote fraudulently and want evidence so they avoid arrest.
~They may know of someone or several and want to warn them.

I can't think of any other reasons. What's yours? You may teach me something.

 

. Just look at Californication and it’s ciastal big city liberals. Look at what they impose upon the rest of us here in this stupid state.

 

Let take your first link shall we? From this article:

“The best practice in these situations is to start with these lists of matches and investigate them,” Stewart said. “Voting fraud is very rare.”

?? By the way, noted is the absence of the fact of who the illegal votes were for. You make it seems like only the left is getting the benefit, and I showed you there are fraud on the right. You are sure silent when that particular vote went for.....Trump.

 

That is the bottom line here.

 

The only ones inciting violence will be liberals in the event that they get their wish on gun control and conservative gun owners passively decline to comply. Those on the right don’t need to be violent to simply sit on their weapons and refuse to turn them in.

 

We aren’t the ones talking revolution or civil war. Passive resistance to edicts from wannabe gun grabbers won’t start one. We are saying that America will never be a gun free nation.

 

This is impressive on so many levels. The ability to define and project the thoughts and beliefs of millions of people (liberals) is pure ESP and downright awesome. Then, what's really impressive is the ability to develop a story line to project those beliefs and probable actions of most of the country. All based on a fabricated dream. The only real problem with this story is that it is the product of fear and anger. Imagined scenarios based on that are predestined to go overboard. When your basic premise is wrong (gun confiscation) your whole argument is a waste of paper.

 

Scanning over this post, I can’t help but ask the following:
What, if anything, have the left proposed since Parkland that imply gun confiscation? Moreover, what has the private sector done to imply they are for gun confiscation?

 

David Koresh had his civil war over gun confiscation.
Let him be your role model.

 

There is no need to ban all guns....

There are only 5 gun control measures needed...

1; Criminal and mental health background checks on all guns sales. Anyone who sells a gun without performing these checks will be charged with felony gun trafficking, which has a top sentence of 30 years.

2; Ban all firearms which fire at a rate hire than semi-auto, and all attachments designed to allow semi-auto weapons to fire at higher rate, from civilian ownership, with both buying one, and selling one to a civilian being a felony.

3; Codify the right of property owners and business owners to require guns be checked, or to outright prohibit all firearms from being carried into their property, whether the weapons are concealed or not. It would be a felony to carry a gun onto any property where the owner has clearly banned guns, such as through signage.

4; Form firearms brokerages whom will handle all private gun sales. The broker will hold the weapon during waiting periods, perform all background checks, etc. The buyer will then be charged a fee by the broker to cover their costs and allow a small profit. The fee would be capped at 110% of the total cost of service.

5; If you want a concealed carry permit, you have to pass a practical firearms examination, and prove you know how to properly use the firearm. The exam will include knowing all of the parts of the gun, how to properly load and unload the guns, a practical shooting test, etc... Anyone who fails this test is barred from having a carry-conceal permit.

 

Ok so lets apply your rules to recent massacres.

Did the shooters have criminal or mental health records.
Answer: No.

Did they use weapons of higher rates of fire than semi-auto.
Answer: No.

Were guns allowed to be taken into schools?
Answer: No.

Did the schools use checks to prevent this.
Answer: Yes,


So 1-3 don't address the problem in any way at all.
Lets look at 4 and 5.

Were the guns used bought from a private broker?
Answer: No.

Did any of the shooters have a concealed carry permit.
Answer: No.



So you have failed to address the issue.
Completely and one hundred percent.

Placebo reforms.
Under your proposed rules all the recent massacres were unaffected.
Hence I strongly disagree that these are the only 5 gun controls needed.

 

Your reply has left me puzzled. You've left out your basis of argument. Are you saying that gun control is necessary in some other form - but more outreaching - or are you saying gun control is a bad idea altogether?

 

First, back up your claims. On the face of it, it would seem you haven't even researched shootings from the last year at all.

Second, what you are making is the Perfect Solution fallacy; the notion that if a solution doesn't solve everything all at once then it is useless.

 

These are good ideas that deserve a thorough discussion and appropriate action. They aren't perfect, I'm sure, but let's not let the perfect stand in the way of the good.

 

True. But the gun owners need not promote violence at all. All they have to do is be passive and decline to turn in any demanded weapon and may lie and say a buried staged weapon that is known is simply lost or stolen. Then either the gun grabbers back down and accept that their dream isn’t possible here or they are the ones to up the ante to violence to get their way. That’s what I think on a whole variety of ideological issues. Deny the left their ultimate goals and passively resist to the point that they back off or they escalate to violence to impose their will by force. Calm, passive resistance is always the key to defending a key belief or value.

 

Modest? If you think a ban on virtually all semi-autos is modest.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...rohibiting-sale-of-all-semi-automatic-weapons