What needs to be in place for a meaningful dialogue about peace in Palestine?

Firstly, does one start with the momentary niggles and work back? I mean niggles such as the following trail:

“If you stop firing rockets at us, then peace has a chance.”
“No!! If you stop breaking ceasefires and in fact actually comply with them and lift embargoes as you were supposed to, then we won’t fire rockets at you.”
“Well, if your people insist on electing a terrorist organisation as your government we won’t have to place embargoes.”
“Rubbish. You pretend to be a democracy. That government was elected democratically, but your ‘friends’ lost it and so you were p’issed”
“Nonsense!! We did that because we knew that Hamas was dedicated to the destruction of Israel and will never accept it as a sovereign country.”
“Absolute twaddle, Hamas is on record as being willing to recognise Israel under certain conditions related to UNSCR 242.”
“How can we believe that while Hamas is arming itself with Iran’s help; an Iran which is developing a nuclear device?”
“You have also been supported and financed by a sugar-daddy for much longer than Iran has been involved.”
“We will stop Iran. We will bomb them.”
“In which case we will rain down hell on Tel Aviv the likes of which you have never imagined!!”
"We will defend our land with our last breath."
"And so will we!!"
“This is our land!!!!! God gave it to us”
“No, it is ours. You stole it from us!!!!”

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Or does one start where Jonsa got to?

But how?

My first suggestion is that there should be no outside party running the show. No Bill Clinton. No Jimmy Carter.

Secondly, and crucially, there must be no preconditions. I know Bibi is going to find that one to be really tough.

And lastly there needs to be a starting point that both sides agree to before coffee is served.

What is that?

 

I think that there are a few basic issues that has to be solved, before a real peace process can ever start -
1. Israeli's are having a hard time about the jerusalem issue. Although both barak and olmert offered that eastern jerusalem will be a palestinian territory, i think that this can actually lead to a civil war.
2. The palestinians have not yet given up on the dream to settle all the refugees back in Israel. This is something that Israel will never accept.
3. Trust is a major issue. There are pretty good relations right now between the Pa in the WB to israel, and i think that trust has been established there. But gaza is a whole different story. From the Palestinian side, as long as settlements are being built, trust will always be an issue. For the israelis, as long as there is one group who is against a peace process, and actively acting against it by way of terror, there will never be trust.
4. Religion. Unfortunatley, as time passes, this conflict is slowly turning from a conflict about land, to a conflict about religion. The Palestinians, and the muslim world as a whole are getting more and more religious and fanatic.
Sadly, the same thing is happening in israel.

 

To start I think there has to be strong leadership on both sides committed to resolution.

The Palestinians must resolve their internal differences before anything can actually move forward. Israel cannot negotiate with two different factions. there must be a palestinian leadership that represents ALL palestinians. The palestinians must have enough confidence in their leadership to abide by the negotiated terms of any agreement, and the israelis must have confidence that the palestinian leadership can "deliver the goods" so to speak.

In Israel, hopefully the next election will see bibi out on his arse. I shiver to think that if BiBi goes, Lieberman could actually become the leader of the new merged party. In a representative parlimentary democracy a coalition government is almost inevitable. Especially when 75% of the population are loud mouthed jews each of which has an opinion . In a lot of ways it can be good, because it forces compromise, but in this case, imho its not conducive to reaching a peace accord because there are way to many factions to satisfy.

Strong leaders with vision and good protection squads is the starting point.

 

I will tell you what needs to be in place for peace.
1. A US President who does not belong to the Jewish lobbyists and also has to be in his last term so maybe and it is just a maybe if Obama gets back in and he really does have some morals he will do something that no other US President has but it is doubtful.
2. UN sanctions on Israel,really really bad sanctions that will really mess up their country because that is all they will understand. Not that I really agree with sanctions as they tend to punish the ordinary people but the fact is that the Israelis keep voting these ultra rightwing idiots into power and according to a recent poll they are a bunch of racists. They need a bug shock.
3. The world and its people need to boycott Israel and demonstrate against it just like they did with South Africa.
4,A new Palestinian leader although that is not nearly as important as the other things I mentioned.

Lets face it the Palestinians have offered the Israelis virtually everything and the Israelis are not really interested in peace,anybody who has follow the process can see that.