It is becoming more and more clear that this group is not a fringe group of a minor movement. The actions and brutality are reminiscent of the Nazi mentality and power before WW2, though far more blatant and religious. It is possible we are watching a Genocide and religious cleansing taking place that will likely get much worse.....I am interested in opinions on what the world should do, if anything.
Forgot the Poll. 1) destroy them while we still can. 2) sit back and watch. 3) try to slow them down a bit. 4) Who cares....it's way over there.
No question that its ethnic cleansing.. As to its religiosity.. I have serious doubts.. They seem to be street people who have invented their own Islam and break all the laws set down in the Koran.. Obama is dropping humanitarian aid to the victims, bombing ISIS in Erbil.. and the Kurds are armed and on the ground. That seems to be what is currently reported.
Do you feel more should be done....if so, what do you feel that should be? Also....if they are "Cleansing" their own ethnicity for religious reasons...would that not be religious cleansing instead of ethnic?
Islam doesn't support ethnic cleansing at all.. Most of the so called Muslim conquests were a long slow process of trade, intermarriage and Arabization .. There is nothing "religious" about ISIS.. Either they have invented their own religion or its purely a power grab.. I suppose they have found willing followers among the poor and ignorant, but isn't that always the case?
This seems a contradiction....if they have "Invented" their own religion, they are little different than anyone else who follows a religion and are indeed religiously motivated. Every religion on Earth is obviously invented/created by one group or another for one reason or another. Islam may not "Support" ethnic cleansing, any more than is "Supports" suicide bombings...yet Islam is the motivation behind these things and is thus culpable. The Islamic State movement (ISIS/ISIL), is obviously Islamic and even worse a particular sect that kills all others...hell, it is part of the name is has given itself. That you do not agree with their version of Islam does not make is any less Islamic....any more than a Baptist saying a Protestant is not Christian removes the Christianity. So....what action do you feel should be taken, if any?
2 and then 1. In this case we can enjoy the opportunity to wait while local powers logorate Isis. We can give a hand to put them in the conditions to be able to contain this new monster ... And after a suitable preparation,we ,NATO, we can hit closing the games.
There should be an INTERNATIONAL movement to wipe these barbarians from the face of the earth. As the USA no longer seems to have the backbone to do so, perhaps Putin will step up and in coordination with China, put an end to it.
Suicide bombings are forbidden in Islam... Suicide is forbidden in the Koran just as it is in the Bible. The Koran is very specific on the conduct of defensive war.. They can't kill women, children or livestock.. They can't destroy water assets, trees, crops or houses and they MUST go to the peace table if the enemy indicates the slightest interest.
Wow! That is really helpful. Why don't you go to Iraq and tell that to the leaders of ISIL? I'm certain they will listen to you.
I don't need to go to Iraq.. The US and the Kurds are going to stomp ISIS... and remember that most Kurds are Sunni.
How do you figure? Who is going to arm the Kurds well enough to stop ISIS? Who is going to allow them into ISIS controlled areas of Syria to finish them off? Wishful thinking won't get rid of them, and the Kurds aren't really the answer, even with some air support from the US. Pretending that the Kurds actually did it, what's to stop them from just claiming all the ISIS land for themselves? They've always wanted their own country, why would they give up land they took? That would only create a greater problem as more countries would line up to destroy the Kurds than than they will to destroy ISIS...
We should withdraw completely from the region and leave them to exterminate each other. Whatever stops the politicians back home stealing from the citizenry to fund campaigns overseas.
Unlike other groups, the Kurds have never shown a desire to gain territory outside of what they have always claimed to be their own. If we arm them and give them a reasonable shot at ridding their lands of ISIL, I think they will stop there and do nothing more than to consolidate their own areas.
They need to be forced to fear.....then they need to be hunted down like the bugs they are, and exterminated.
I've never really cared about the motivations for ethnic cleansing, it's gotta stop. The entire world oughta be coming down on ISIS's (*)(*)(*)(*). But then, Israel would have to be dealt with as well.
Wow! That would be a dream. If Russians decide to fight they will make ISIS face the worse nightmare of their life ... the last one! Russians never step back, Allah or not Allah [ask to Chechnya Islamists ...]. The problem is that if Russians fight, the region would be a bit devastated ... Russians still fight in WW II style!
Just as with the whole situation regarding Israel, Iraq has become another impossible situation. More and more, the ME becomes a proposition that the West just can't consider. It's a lake of disease and corruption. We can't put our hand in it without taking on their foul and rotten attributes. Let them fight it out, while we strengthen our bulwarks to keep their ills from claiming us.
Wait, first of all, don't become emotional about geopolitics. Then, consider that ME was even a worse mess in early 20th century while the Ottoman Empire was falling down and the British Empire had no idea about how to manage that region [but being British they decided to manage it! Making a mess ...]. Keep calm and analyze the situation with rationality. When they want the mess it means that the order is so near to be perceived as a concrete threat to their authoritative system of power. So we have just to keep on with the good work and the results will come [later, not sooner!].
Creating a moral equivalency between ISIS and Israel, my how quaint. So now you equate barbarity with defending ones country from the same type of barbarity. What a real piece of work.
Does my post look "emotional" to you? What I mean is that no matter what we do, the doing makes us complicit to the whole affair. That's why it's more likely for any effort to run amuck than it is to bring positive change. Where you say that it is for us to keep doing good deeds and be patient, those guys in the Islamic world believe that it is for them to keep doing what they've always done, until they run out of people to do it to. I have no good deeds to spare for that sort.
I will keep this simple. For now send in serious support to the Kurds advisors, special forces of the USA on the ground in force, good weapons, APC's and air power in addition to humanitarian aid they will fight hard and no quit they KNOW what's on the line. There lives. And use them to restrict ISIS with a decent counter presence. We need ISIS declared by the UN a terrorist group and condemn them that should be easy with crimes against humanity cases prepared AAP. Then get a proper UN force in there and I mean ask the Permanent Security Council members to all commit forces, and go in to root them out. Last split up Iraq with an independent Kurdistan and one section for the Shiites and Sunni's the UN will maintain a long term force in Baghdad keeping it for now as a open city until the three new countries stabilize enough.
Nothing should be done. Sometime you need to let the kid touch the hot stove to learn their lesson. Islam needs a wake up call and ISIS despotism and the carnage that will ensue might just be that. Christianity went through a maturation process and has mellowed since the Middle Ages but Islam is still stuck in the 7th century mentality which is why Islamic countries are consistently on the bottom of the list when it comes to personal freedoms, liberty and treatment of minorities. A lot of Muslims are in denial about how disgusting and reprehensible their religion is as you can tell from posters here that constantly tout the "Islam is a religion of peace" bull(*)(*)(*)(*) propaganda that they have been fed and even more sadly might actually believe themselves.
And therein lies the rub... "Kurdistan" is located in Iraq, Iran and Turkey. And it sits on top of oil. That means Iraq, Iran and Turkey don't want to see Kurds with significant arms.
Just arming them is vital, they are fighting for their lives. And I don't care what those three nations feel it should be can we stem the advance of ISIS, have a real shot at hurting them and an ally in that area we can trust why not an Independent Kurdistan we can abandon Iraq and put our presence there then. Anyone the Iraqi Army cut and ran like a bunch of wussies with ALL the advantages of ISIS but nerves they caused this mess.
