What will yesterday's drubbing of the GOP mean a year from now?

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Just a few facts that immediately come to mind: In the Georgia legislature, Democrats unseated three incumbent Republicans. In the Virginia House of Delegates, at least 12 GOP incumbents lost, and three open seats flipped to Democrats. In Washington, Democrats retook control of the State Senate. Democrats defeated Republican incumbents in mayoral races in St. Petersburg, FL, Manchester, NH.
     
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    Some flip back and forth, some are RINO's so there is no change. Washington, New Jersey, St. Petersburg, all loony lib zones in which a "Republican" politician has as much in common with conservatism as Hilary has with honesty.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Hyper-partisans will spin as they must, but most folks, including savvy Republicans, acknowledge that it was a very good week for Democrats, and bodes well for '18 (assuming that Trump is still in office.)
     
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    the two blue states winning a blue election? means the same thing it did last year. nothing
     
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    LOL, yes hyper partisans will spin and pretend this bodes well for communists in 2018
     
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    I am unaware of the prospects for your communists.
     
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    lol so some 18 seats out of thousands is a 'wave' now. lol lol lol
     
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    How could it be a drubbing? Trump didn't win either state, so linking him to it is disingenuous and pathetic. Christie was extremely unpopular, no Republican was going to follow him. Virginia has been going steadily blue for years now, it is more a reflection of the change in demographics than the politics of anyone involved in the races...
     
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    We need realistic expectations for our voters so that they do not think one trip to the polls will make their job complete, and we need to sell those expectations to voters as worthwhile , when a media want to sell the dramatic. Incremental change for marginal benefits is still change with benefit, and it is well worth a trip to the polling booth every couple of years. We have to make our voters into habitual voters instead of ones requiring inspiration. Yes that state representative race matters, and the governor, and the Congressional race, even if we only get 15 extra seats instead of the 25 we need. Its okay if it takes more than one election because you can still win legislative battles without. Moderate republicans can stand up alongside us for moderate policies, and that means we can get some important amendments passed on 'majority' republican bills. Legislation actual often works like horseshoes and close does matter.
     
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    Once again, I am glad to point out these facts about your racist post:

    A majority of voters are "less-educated" as you put it.
    A majority of Hillary voters are "less-educated" as well.
    Yes, President Trump did win a large majority of white men without college degrees.
    President Trump also won a majority of white women without a college degree.
    President Trump also won a majority of white men WITH a college degree.
    President Trump also won a majority of white women WITH a college degree.
    Hillary won a majority of blacks who are "less-educated".

    Now, historically, the Democratic Party disenfranchised many blacks by requiring literacy tests and intelligence tests as well as other means to take away blacks rights to vote. Are you once again suggesting that people who do not have a college degree should not be allowed to vote? Because if that is what you are suggesting, a return to the Democratic policies would be more harmful to African Americans than whites.

    As for the subject of the recent wins in New Jersey and Virginia, if the democrats had lost that would have been unexpected. Winning in blue states should be a given for democrats, but they were once again sweating it out. It's hardly a "referendum" on President Trump that liberal democrats won election in liberal blue Democratic states.
     
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    Keep it up. It's this kind of condescending attitude of looking down on the poor working class idiots that will ensure the Democrat Party maintains it's minority status.
     
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    I have no idea why you are upset because, while Clinton received 2.9 million more votes, the significant switch by a traditionally Democratic demographic - less-educated White voters - delivered the electoral college to Trump.

    He targeted them and succeeded in winning their support. After his victory he proclaimed that he "loves the poorly educated."
     
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    Then why did you comment it was a good week for them?
     
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    You need not persist in demeaning less educated Americans. They have the same rights as everyone else and deserve respect.
    Your "poor working class idiots" are far more decent and savvy than you imagine.
     
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    Are you lying, or can you cite where I said that it was a good week for communists?
     
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    Me upset? Naw. I'm glad that people like you think that you are superior than the average American voter and smugly proclaim that Trump voters are "less-educated" and that is the reason why Hillary lost. The truth which you refuse to face is that Hillary lost because Americans want to be left alone and not told what to do or how to think by an all powerful federal government run by well educated limousine liberal elitists drinking lattes and eating foie gras who think they know what is best for you.
     
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    Excuse me, but exactly how many posts did you attribute Trump's win to "less-educated" whites? Why do you fail to acknowledge that he also won college educated whites? Why do you fail to mention that Hillary won "less-educated" blacks? Because that would be racist. And it's just as racist to blame white people for Hillary's loss. Your posts are offensive, racist and demeaning to the working class people that you just said the Democratic Party needs to appeal to and win back.
     
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    Stop demeaning the less educated.
     
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    I'll let you count, but numerous election analysts cite and polls confirm the significant shift in that demographic in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin as the key to his electoral college victory.

    Your "poor working class idiots" deserve more respect.
     
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    What is truly demeaning is your constant attempts to insult the intelligence of the readers of this forum and millions of American voters by trying to blame "less-educated" whites for Hillary's embarrassing defeat. What's demeaning is your feeble attempt to turn it back on me when for the past year you've constantly pointed out the fact that Trump won "less-educated" whites. That is your term, your phrase that you constantly repeat. It's like a mantra with you, that and your insulting conservatives, republicans and the alt-right as neo-Nazis and white supremacists. You're obsessed with that diatribe. If you think that insulting voters by name calling them or labeling them that will win them over to your side you are sorely mistaken.
     
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    Let me tell you something, an college education doesn't necessarily mean you are smarter than the "less-educated". I do demean the less educated, I confess, they are called democrats.
     
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    Candidates matter. That was where the Democrats made their mistake. Hillary's ho hum, inept campaign allowed herself to be beaten. Among white Romney beat Obama by 20 points in 2012, Trump beat Clinton by 20 points in 2016. It was among minorities where Clinton did worse than Obama. Obama won blacks by 87 points, Clinton by 80. Hispanics, Obama won them by 44 points, Clinton by 38 and Asians, Obama by 47, Clinton by 38. This tells part of the story.

    The second part is that Trump didn't out do Romney much among minorities. Trump increased his vote total among Blacks, 6 to 8, Hispanics 27-28 and Asians 26 to 27 over Romney. That's an increase of just 2-1-1 points over Romney. The big difference was quite a lot of minorities choose to vote third party instead of for Hillary Clinton. Clinton didn't excite them. Black third party voters in 2012 was 1%, Hispanic 2%, Asian 1%. Black third party voters in 2016 were 3%, Hispanic 6% and Asian 8%.

    The Democrats will be just fine if they can get candidates to attract their base voters back instead of voting third party. Candidates matter.
     
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    You are the one disrespecting "less-educated" by constantly insinuating they are white supremacist nationalists and Nazis.
     
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    LOL, you really are shallow. Put 2 and 2 together. communists = democrats
     
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