http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/ Hint: It's not volcanos, it's not the sun, it's not our orbit. There is no explanation left that fits the data. It's greenhouse gases.
"It's not volcanos, it's not the sun, it's not our orbit." Wrong, it is these things and the use of fossil fuels. The use of fossil fuels the least of the cause. And, it is the natural cycle of the climate that has existed for billions of years. We are still in a pre-glacial phase of this cycle. And there are many scientific studies that conclude we will be cooling, not warming in the years to come. The fact that so many that believe we humans can alter the natural cycle of the climate is unreal. The climate cycle is powerful and IMO an unstoppable natural occurrence. One that we may be able to alter minimally at best. Those that want to tax the use of fossil fuels and give subsidies to alternative energy companies are seeking to make "money" by doing so on the backs of homeowners and renters that will bear the increase in energy cost. Until there is a low cost alternative energy source other than electric or gas, things should remain status quo.
Yes. Have you heard the story of the "straw that broke the camel's back"? That's what we're dealing with here - the addition (by us) of massive amounts of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere that accelerates the natural cycle and makes it unnatural. Let's say you're driving along at 55MPH (the speed limit) with your foot on the accelerator - doesn't take much more pressure on your foot to get you to 70MPH and have a nice discussion with your friendly sheriff. That's kind of like us today. What is unreal is how many different ways humans have found to really foul up our planet's air, land and water. There are a number of low cost energy sources, particularly wind, that are becoming more available all the time. The investment in them will pay big dividends down the road. Now, why are fossil fuel energy companies working to hard to stop that progress?
1880 is often used as a starting point yet it has been warming at a consistent rate since the 1600's, the end of the Little Ice Age with the same ups and downs seen recently. It is not convenient to know this and the excuse is often that it is just England yet it is the longest temperature record available and in the Northern Hemisphere where most of the temperature readings come from today. What is also not really understood by the ideological camp that believes somehow today is different because 'scientists' is that all of the NH records have to be manipulated to come up with one world temperature. The surface records are spotty, change often, and basically now do not match better satellite records but are used because they afford credibility to the political orthodoxy. Even when observed records deviate from what this is all based on, computer models, the orthodoxy hasn't changed but instead has become even more intrenched and alarmist.
so the assumption is that temperature in Central England is an accurate representative of the temperature of the entire planet. This has to be a joke.
Then the jokes on you. You seem to think there is an actual temperature for the entire planet, well then, you would have to agree that it has not warmed since the end of the last century, yet there is even resistance to that fact and the only way to prove it wrong is by re-adjusting the one world temperature dataset (and only one of them) to fit the orthodoxy after it inconveniently showed no warming.
Yes but it doesnt change it much according to the vaunted Bloomberg. Deforestation actually cools the earth according to them! I guess we should just cut down the rainforests and no more "climate change" right Bloomberg? Sigh... Its a friggin religion with these guys...
Get to the point, what is the ultimate solution? If you were the king of the world and had a genie grant you a wish or three... Let's hear it.
They will never admit it but if you listen long enough to the alarmists depopulation is their answer.
Actually, this is driven mainly by environmentalists. There are even environmentalists that contribute to the IPCC. The goal is to destroy capitalism, the real threat to the world as they see it. Their wish is to make sure everyone looks like a starving child from Africa. What they don't realize is that everyone will start burning anything to stay warm once they have gotten rid of capitalism.
Just ran across this, and thought you'd be interested: After years of anticipation, the renewable energy revolution is finally here. Solar energy is poised to become the dominant player in electricity markets worldwide moving forward, capturing a large share of the expected $12 trillion in investment between now and 2040, according to a new report from Bloomberg New Energy Finance. Geographically speaking, the vast majority of the $12 trillion in investment will take place in the Asia-Pacific region, driven, as usual, by India and China. [...] The report details the revolution that is just starting to get underway. By the middle of the next decade, utility-scale solar power will be competitive in most places around the world. The cost of solar has fallen by 75 percent since 2009, but costs are still going down. Over the next two and a half decades, not only will solar outcompete new fossil fuel plants natural gas and coal but solar will also start to edge out existing fossil fuel power plants. That is significant because when the sunk costs of older natural gas and coal-fired power plants are taken into account, the cost of running the plants tend to be low. But in the years ahead solar will be even cheaper than that. Moreover, it wont just be utility-scale solar, which tends to offer cheaper power generation. The future of solar growth will take place in the residential rooftop segment. As energy storage becomes cheaper and more accessiblethanks to innovations like Teslas home battery packdecentralized solar becomes not only viable, but the preferred option. In 2040, decentralized rooftop solar will be the cheapest form of electricity in every major economy, even cheaper than grid power, according to BNEF. Individuals generating their own power on their rooftops, with battery storage for use at night, will become the norm.
Did you not bother to click the link? None of the natural causes are doing anything that would cause the warming we've seen.
It's probably your Hot breath. Greenhouse gases? Is that what they are calling halitosis these days...
Some people think 'could' means 'is'. They also don't understand the difficulties of solar and grid requirements and why it will remain a small player in producing wide energy use. In the best areas a Tesla might have a payback of 16 years but it only has a warranty of 10. A medium-sized set of 3kW panels goes for $15,000 or so. It is still much cheaper to get a gen set for $3,000 that puts out 11kW with enough energy to run the whole house using natural gas and is probably a lot more eco friendly than batteries.
Jesus Christ. You've gone full truther over here. What does capitalism have to do with the environment? We've been regulating environmental standards for decades now and guess what? We still have capitalism. - - - Updated - - - So subsidize solar panels to make them more affordable.
You wish to ignore the environmentalist agenda, fine by me. So you want everyone else to pay for your ideology?
Yes. I want everyone to help pay to phase out the fossil fuels that we all are using and is destroying global environment.
Yes. It's all part of our secret plan. Is this really all that's left on this side of the debate when faced with the data? Conspiracy after conspiracy?
I understand there are some things you dont want to discuss but you simply can not just write something off as a "conspiracy". Instead of saying de-population research the term "Sustainability" its a tad more PC so it should fit you well.... You can start here http://www.worldpopulationbalance.org/3_times_sustainable Perhaps World Balance will be more emotionally pleasing to you.... Or perhaps this site http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/population-and-sustainability/ Or perhaps this one http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/population_and_sustainability/index.html Or perhaps http://www.populationinstitute.org/programs/sustainability/ Cover your eyes and ears its a "conspiracy"!
Sustainability can be taken as the insane evil conspiracy definition which means depopulation. Or what actually makes sense for environmentalists which is they want us to use our resources better. Just like any good conservative would. They want us to stop using finite resources like oil and coal and move towards the infinite resources of the sun and the wind. A scientifically minded environmentalist would want us using GMOs to produce food where it wasn't able to be produced before. These sort of movements will help us sustain a larger population.
Despite your "vast knowledge" <snicker> of the subject, the fact is that solar energy has been growing substantially all over the world and the prices have dropped considerably. Tesla is just one of a number of storage devices such as flywheel storage. Here's another article from a couple of years ago you might also find interesting.
While Chile Generated greenhouse gases are a good contender for the cause of warming there is a far more significant threat to be addressed. Penguin Generated Global Warming I believe Adele and Emperor Penguins cause global warming because their dark Tuxedo backs diminish the Antarctic albedo and cause excess absorption of Solar Energy. This is proven by the increasing rate of recession of the Antarctic Ice Pack as amply documented by Al Gore, MSNBC and other such meteorological experts. The ethical implications forbid our exterminating these inoffensive creatures and the potential loss of this species mandates that our efforts to reduce climate change cannot be harmful in any way to the Penguin Population. I propose we mount a multi-nation effort to trap and spray paint each Penguin's back with a biodegradable, light-reflective paint. Of course, this will have to be a permanent effort since the paint will wash off when they go into the sea. While this constant effort is unfortunate, it will satisfy PETA requirements. No penguins will be harmed in this endeavor. It will initially require perhaps 50,000 men with trappers, painters, support personnel, logistics, transport, and a new bureaucracy in Washington DC, the Dept. of Albedo Amelioration. This will be a new Cabinet Level department; it will have authority over all dark surfaces in the country, and will issue regulations for shine enhancement or abatement of shine as needed. The Secretary of this department will be a political appointee, with the responsibility of shining us on or not, as required. This department will also Interface with a new UN Committee, UNSIAA, United Nations Shine Interdiction and Amelioration (pronounced un-see-ya). This Committee will have the authority to either increase or decrease shine as needed in various locales around the world. Their expert consultants will determine the specific actions required and their regulations will carry the force of law with the signators of the Kyota agreements. In addition, with the advent of digital photography the ubiquitous film kiosks (UFK), which existed in shopping mall parking lots everywhere, have become useless and abandoned in many cases. These can be repurposed as Penguin Paint Kiosks (PPK). This has many advantages; first it supports the UN Agenda21 sustainability provisions. Second it removes unsightly blight. Third, it will provide entrepreneurs an opportunity to create companies for the purposes of refurbishing these UFK shacks into PPK. Suitable contracts can be let by the government, to relatives of current pols, who will do the refurbishing at a cost of four to five hundred thousand dollars, for each UFK to PPK conversion. This will aid in job creation, which will benefit our burgeoning immigrant population. A Penguin Snack Industry (PSI) will then be created. This will facilitate conditioning the Penguins to Queue up at the PPK (Penguin Paint Kiosks) in order to get the treats from PSI, while they are being painted. Suitable trainers, Animal Dieticians and Penguin Psychologists will be needed for the PSI conditioning effort. Penguins seem to be well organized so the need for community organizers does not exist. However, the workers will need suitable union representation for collective bargaining. This can safely be left to the private sector and will entail no cost to the government. We face great danger from the vicissitudes of climate change induced by these Penguins. We must act on this quickly; the nation cannot afford to fall behind in the PPK acquisition race. The ravages of Penguin induced climate change demand a maximum immediate effort. Our nations safety and security cannot take second place to other nations who will attempt to monopolize UFK conversion to PPK. To pay for all of this, let us impose a nation-wide tax on any transaction, whose proceeds will be administered by the Clinton family fund, under the auspices of the UN. Other nations will see fit to make donations to the Hill-Bill-Chelsey fund since this matter is of worldwide import. Who is more experienced or expert in seeing that such funds are properly allocated and effective in achieving these goals? Please apply my grant moneys from the Nobel Prize to the Society for the Preservation of the Curly Tailed Ringgit.
