What's Wrong With America?

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  1. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, you basically called me a liar regarding my own medical issues. How would you respond to that?
     
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    I did no such thing. I didn't even say you were wrong. I merely expressed my doubt.
    Hardly a day goes by that I don't get "basically" called a liar here. My reaction, if any, is guided by the circumstances. Were I to post about a personal medical issue, I would bear in mind that no one here has any obligation to take anonymous testimony at face value.
     
  3. ChristopherABrown

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    The reason for this is that the PURPOSE of free speech is abridged.

    There are many more clear examples of the symptoms of this abridging in your comprehensive post. Most posts in this thread describe symptoms of the abridging.

    By revising the 1st Amendment to include the people’s definition of the best speech and what it does, that government must actively support, the symptoms will subside.

    Here is a draft revision.

    ---DRAFT REV. 1st Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; Congress shall see that nothing abridges the freedom of speech and the primary methods or systems of it shall not be abridged and be first accessible for the purpose of the unity of the people in order to alter or abolish government destructive to their unalienable rights, or with its possible greater meaning through understanding one another in; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Congress shall see that nothing abridges freedom of the press in its service to the unity of the people; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances or defense of this constitution---
     
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    Another example of our latent awareness of the abridging of the PURPOSE of free speech.
     
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    Common courtesy? Good manners? How about giving people the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming everyone is making stuff up?

    I've had two serious conditions that were not caused by any action, or lack of action, on my part. So have millions of other people. I'm having major surgery Monday, which probably explains why your knee-jerk (or just jerk? :) reaction got on my nerves a bit. But basically, I just don't like mean people who think they know things that they really have no clue about.
     
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    “the misguided assumption” is a symptom of the abridging of the PURPOSE of free speech.

    Voting within a real democracy requires that the voter be fully informed, and has had ample opportunity to discuss with a significant sized group, that information.
     
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    An exceptionally clear example of the people’s latent awareness of the abridging of the PURPOSE of free speech.
     
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    Or an awareness of the right by a majority of the people so the can enforce the right.

    Such is the case with our retained right to see free speech serve its biological and legal, ultimate PURPOSE.
     
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    Another example of our latent awareness that the PURPOSE of free speech is abridged.
    The post goes, correctly, into describing a perversion of the PURPOSE of free speech which also has great detriment and another wrong that is related to the abridging.
     
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    Mostly- 1st amendment evasion and retraction, not revisions or improvements. This must not become a nation of children who demand the right to throw tantrums abusing others as a preferred method of expression.
    Nothing wrong with the constitution- a lot wrong with people who failed to step up to manhood and maturity as their bodies grew up.
     
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    Free speech is already abridged in the Intent of the founding fathers. My whole life, anyway. Look at how Eisenhower has proclaimed a war, of light against dark, that's concerning Presbyterianism. That's concerning religious leadership in America. That's promotion of a direction in our religious life. The 1st amendment he read from was free assembly, no establishment, freedom of speech and religion. Southern Presbyterianism doesn't exist now. The old and falling off membership in Presbyterianism will get worse than less than 2 million. That's from having 7 million before his pronouncement. University liberal professors are free to think the mind that believes in Christianity is undesirable. However, its strongly illegal to clearly state in all matters, with perfect unimprovable skills or attributes, that Christianity pushed on Asian students when they are the Christian seekers in question, which hiding behind students also applied to professors who want to act annoyed. Their meaning of Freedom of Speech needs an entire overhaul, which I recommended to them. I recommend they undergo training in equal education in government.

    They already assert conclusions about nonexistent abusive conduct toward any students, untrue, more like study tutors. Nothing else to do with contact with any of them than repetition of their mindless hearsay.
     
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    Wealth inequality: People should stop crying about it, what kind of country has everyone making the exact same pay. The only ones that tried it, ended up killing over 100 million non conformists.
    We live in the best country in the world where there is opportunity to add to your own wealth. And as the saying goes, how many poor people are hiring these days?

    Health Care: How about get off ones ass and walk around, exercise, not smoke, stop doing drugs, push the damn plate away, don't go for seconds. Drink responsibly. Everyone do that and 90% of all problems go away. The doctor has spoken.

    We could scrap that crap obamacare, we can still keep guarantee issue plans, only modify them to allow insurance companies to compete, add only a 3% load on rates to be used for a pool of unisurables, let the gubmint cover physical exams if you really just have to have uncle sam looking between your legs, allow for rate increases for smokers, and........wait for it.........wait for it.........PROBLEM SOLVED.

    Thank you very much. I'll be here all week.
     
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    The moment I graduated with infinite opportunities, 3.5 gpa, 710 gmat, my University used Amy Bishop as an excuse to blame any pedestrian, to attack any institutions, Christian, charitable, or moral, that are legal sanctioned institutions among the student body, every application to every job was stolen, they closed all my applications on 'security', people are making up Donald Trump some part time talk show guy is president, etc. Where's that story in the news? Where's the story it all ends because of foregone government tyranny? Anybody want to burn down the Eisenhower library? I know there is one. Burning down knowledge and free speech is fascist Eisenhower. All my jobs are fake people, they fake me having parents, the lobotomized everybody, nobody's a real job, never had a rea job in 10 years, I worked for 3 years, my parents stole half that money, they all can steal the rest of it, big waste, everything.
     
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    I don't understand your post. Would you slow it down a bit for me?
     
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    How about when I get a moment, I get any 10 years false imprisonment certificate ,Any Other Prisoner should get, prisoners with closure, somewhat, false accused and let out, Must get some sort of 10 years of false imprisonment certificate, pay too, sometimes. My University never noted my qualifications when they and others take everything in writing on random socialization criteria.

    Let's back that up, because the only mention, I ever did, or would do, of Jesus the Christ, is to excuse the actual, literal process ,of the nails, driving into my beating veins, to meet, the wood, that is also the Mercy Seat, on which my naked body should starve to death, for 3 days. That's what these "administrators" got a problem with my attitudes with the student body and themselves. People asking, Am I my Brother's keeper? That's all those people.
     
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    I realize that time is a limitation. However we are all bound by it.

    In my case, I cant process everything that you're saying as quickly as you say it.
     
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    Screw America man. What about refugee status in Scotland? That was planned from my birth. Here's why. The Almighty God logically, invoked in favor and guidance in the 1901 Alabama constitution, and whom is the John B Knox deciding on our Scots flag of Alabama, is those patriots in a War of Americans, who defended America, this section of America, which is the Southern Presbyterianism, that Woodrow Wilson made the League of Nations, which is the 6 times cited, Arirang news cited, KPCA cited patriotism events , of the KPCA and the Korean Presbyterian Church. This ignorant, totally Ignorant society, should lose all the doctors and lawyers to Scotland. Now. Every Responsible Doctor and Lawyer , every hardworking man, every Soldier, is Due, to be in Scotland, political refugees, depopulate the whole state. Eisenhower called to end and lead the Southern Presbyterianism to end, that relates most closely, in responsibility, with the Korean Presbyterian that Korean Students socialize in legally here in the Public State University school system.
     
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    Hey when's the first time anyway Doubting Thomas wants to pkoe his finger in Jesus's prick, like 2009, and they laughed their butt off like unprofessinals. They "LOL"ed when, they pull Me out of class, to a meeting, just like they pull Me out of working, to do facebook later, and they make Me have excuses why their class Could have made up a problem with anybody, and I say discomfort on erections, would already be after telling their "protected" students whatever htye wanted, or left whenever, no agenda, that I'm celibate, and that no one will care about the attitudes of any of them.
     
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    Show a way I didn't mind my business the whole time, have a cult leader of a professor checkin' everyone's seat for loyalty points, they have to make up reasons their ignorant crap professor failed so much. There is no way to point to something putting my interests ahead of a class wrapped around a corruption as evil as their paid instructor, making his job checking what he gets away with upon students, not topic discussion.
     
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    Oh they got a joke where people leading the hate, tied me down, snarled at free houses, snarled, no blink of approval of a first step is administered, in the signing and closing, and they delight about their own pre-existing defenses, pre-existing condemnations, and making up crimes, any crimes, home invasions, of houses that wouldn't exist for years from an uninvolved unimportant person, that is under constant arrest. America!
     
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    spiritgide, could you provide context for the part of your post quoted that relates it to the message of my post?
     
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    Whats wrong with America------------------democrats.
     
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    Your suggested revision is what many will recognize as psychobabble. In terms of a statement of standard, it leaves so many holes that it allows most anything that anyone chooses to say or express as protected, and at the same time could be used as a defense for anything that was not acceptable to someone else. I see it as making the incitement of violence, statements of sedition and even treason being protected by such a change- not to mention lesser things like slander and libel. It strikes me as something written by those feeling life wasn't fair to them as a tool to fix their personal complaints, without consideration of the other consequences. "through understanding one another in; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is simply part of the babble, window dressing on an invitation to total chaos.

    We have a situation in politics right now, where some have taken the position that if they feel offended, then an offense, even a crime, has been committed and retaliation is justifiable in most any form- basically, that if I am offended, I no longer have a duty to be reasonable or rational; I can suspend the basic precepts of morality and justice in order to seek justice for the crime of offending me. These attitudes say I am not responsible for my reaction to what others say- they are responsible for what I feel or do as a result. We can see what is happening as a result of these attitudes in today's news, everyday. I see it as directly parallel to the logic of small spoiled children having tantrums.

    Generally speaking- the more rules we make, or the more complex we make any rule, the less definitive it gets. "Thou shalt not kill" for example is a very clear and unambiguous statement- in just four words. In everyday life that does have to be qualified, but the more detailed we make that qualification, the more we make it dependent on and subject to individual perception and opinion- the weaker it gets.

    Old business adage to maintain order and productivity- Is known as the "KISS" formula. It means, Keep It Simple, Stupid". It's a reminder that humans tend to complicate everything they do to the point the nobody can understand the rules or play the game well.
     
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    Now we aren't supposed to lump everyone together; you know that. But on the other hand, if the shoe fits....
     
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    Somebody likes "Thou Shalt not Kill" out one side of their mouth, assuredly advocates that to defend the domain of the law, as the United States defends the reach and domain of its law, is an Unchristian action. Chinese Communists aren't even legally accessing their Bible online, with any resources.

    Define @spiritgide concept a little further, its more we have a sociological lawbook. Nobody has any lawbook in their head whatsoever. A man privately reading ku klux klan material as a manager, and he was attacked by an African American employee, and was innocent, and by the way, why are we hearing about that as behavior, provocation? Why are we reading provocation in everything. France has Removed Christian marriage for experiments in secular state marriage, long before the United States. Check your model. Every soap opera is a menage a trois, somebody brings a gun, the Detectives give you your space. There are no Unions of recognized authority. You're on your own in some shadowy world Laicite prevents you from bringing to the surface of society.

    My First year of college, all 50 states have some prayer to God, nevertheless, I'm just saying, State Universities want to play atheist benevolent arbitration. They drag you to the wrist your first year to "counseling", they don't have 'detention', lets note that, to the same result of sending to your parents any notes on it they want.
     

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