What's wrong with making it mandatory to buy Health Insurance ?

Why should they only hire people for jobs that are worth the extra health insurance? It comes out of the employees Check and will act like and additional monthly minimum wage. Hurts low skill people entering the job market who in most cases usually rise up fairly fast or switch jobs.

 

"What's wrong with making it mandatory to buy Health Insurance ?"

or car insurance... personally I do not agree with the conservatives Individual mandate, there should be a public option rather then a individual mandate

 

Then would it be accurate to say that you disapprove of the subsidies included in Obamacare? If someone is having their healthcare paid for by someone else then they clearly aren't contributing, right?

 

Why would the government run it more efficiently then the private market? Do you have any examples of this happening?

Great article by the way, dispels myths about single payer systems, looks at treatment data not governme t worship:
http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/socialism-and-cancer

Lots of stats and data for libbers to ignore in there including a multi year study.

 

Fresh prior to Obama we already had a Public Option. It was called medicare or medicaid.

 

Isn't there around 50 million people in America that simply can't afford health insurance? If so, what would be the point of making it mandatory to buy it?

 

Since it's illegal (ie, unconstitutional) for the federal government to run anything resembling a health insurance program, directly provide healthcare, or even subsidize healthcare, it's pretty clear the easy solution to what's giving you the vapors is for the government to go back to obeying the Constitution and letting the people figure out how to get their own health care.

 

There is.

Anyone who wants health care can go to a publicly traded privately owned insurance company and buy a policy.

The taxpayers don't owe the lice anything, especially not medical care. You ever hear of anyone taking their pet louse to the vet?

 

Time to go Single Payer and absolutely UNIVERSAL with our healthcare. In my opinion... the ACA isn't 'socialist' enough.

 

By purchasing shiny car rims and alcohol, they are helping to keep people in those industries employed and off the unemployment line.

 

In other words, you want to make excuses so the government can continue to take over the medical industry.

The artificial rationing imposed by the medical guilds is incidental to the massive damage the lawyers and the regulators have done. Doctors are flat out QUITTING now, and that's got nothing to do with Hahvahd's current foolish practices. Doctors are quitting because they can't earn a living in their profession any longer....and what would your situation of artificial labor scarcity do to the prices a doctor could charge, if he wasn't regulated, lawyered, and taxed to death?

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Damn straight. Every single person (and all the married ones, too) should pay their own bills, themselves, and this condition should be made universal so that even people on Arisia would have to pay their own doctors themselves.

 

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm sure that we disagree.

 

That doesn't jibe with your previous comment that "ALL Americans SHOULD contribute to healthcare costs" because in an absolutely UNIVERSAL system, by design, not everyone contributes.

 

Why shouldn't everyone pay? Aren't the Medicaid users cheap and exploitative abusers?

 

Let's make it "jibe" as much as possible. Healthcare-for-profit is an economic and social-cancer. I think it's time to CUT IT OUT!!

 

What's wrong with making it mandatory that you put on a hat with red star on it and exercise perfectly at gubermint approved call to exercise and bow down with those who bow down?

If you choose to buy a car you gotta exercise the maintenance. And 99% of American cars will use the roadside assistance or see a mechanic at one point or another in their lives. Because this is so, why not make it mandatory that you buy health club membership from a private insurance company, eat only healthy Soylent Green, or submit to a call to exercise?

You'd think left wingers would like a law which prevents free loafing. I like Obamaworkout - I think it's the fair thing to do. If you can afford health club membership and refuse to buy, then you are scamming the game when you go to the emergency department and force the rich (who can afford to buy) to pay for your sorry behind’s Liposuction.

 

It doesn't get much clearer than this^.And to refer to an earlier question of yours-why is America unique among western nations in not having universal, affordable healthcare-I have yet to hear a sensible explanation.
Don't get sick in America-unless you can afford it.
I wonder how many Americans have gotten sick on vacation in countries with UHC, and taken advantage of the free treatment-as they would have in the UK...naturally those of a conservative persuasion would opt for the expensive, but identical, private version, given their lofty principles. Wouldn't they?

 

Amen!! It is time for MASSIVE reform of the system altogether.

 

they shouldn't - but left on their own, the average person will not be able to afford health insurance direct from an insurance company given how expensive it can get, and given how much doctors and hospitals overcharge for their services.

this justifies single payer - to make up for decades of financial exploitation

Medicaid users are the result of the rich not paying the middle and lower class enough per hour, and the medical system being corrupt and too expensive. They will pay under Obamacare - at least those who can afford to but don't. But eventually, the system will collapse as that is the purpose of Obamacare - to make way for the single payer system.

Well, 99% of Americans will use the ED and a hospital or clinic at one point. If they are going to be over-charged as they have been by hospitals and insurance companies, it is only fair both systems are destroyed - which is what Obamacare will do. It will make sure the private insurance companies will fail and collapse, and doctors will be forced to join the rest of us under true capitalism of supply and demand and not get away with charging $500 for a 30 minute health check up.

 

Australia has Reciprocal Health Care Agreements (RHCA) with many European, including the UK and New Zealand, countries with UHC. Australians get sick in those countries, flash their Medicare card, and they get treated. Americans have to pay.

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Is health insurance (and medical services) really that expensive in America that employers have to do the heavy lifting?

 

Speaking of cancer, all the single payer systems lag far behind us in cancer survival rates. Every type too. The UK spends more per cancer patient with a big bureaucracy and everything you guys dream about, and they lag behind not only us, but Have about the same survival rate as much poorer Poland and other former eastern bloc countries.

 

You can make it "jibe" whenever you want. All you have to do is be consistent from one statement to the next instead of contradicting yourself by stating that everyone should contribute in one breath and then stating that some people should have their water carried by others in the next. Simple.

As for "healthcare for profit...you can "cut it out" whenever you like. Just go to college and medical school and then work as a doctor for free. Talk your friends into doing the same and voila, you have your wish. You could run your own hospital in your backyard - no profit involved.

 

Let me give you an example of how great privatized medicine works here in the US. If for the next couple of days I get really sick with the flu and over-the-counter meds aren't doing anything, let's just say I decide to go to my primary care doctor but I DON'T have insurance. A typical visit would require me registering at the clinic, then I would be seen by the doctor who would then prescribe me a stronger medication that isn't allowed over the counter. He will provide me no information on how to prevent the flu from happening again as, conveniently, there is no cure for it as of it. I will get a prescription written by him and I will then head to the pharmacy. Let's say I don't have a prescription insurance card and have to pay out of pocket again. The totals will look like this -

approximately $200-$300 for the doctor visit
approximately $25-$65 for the medication

Mind you all that has happened is that I have now been given access to a stronger medication than I have been using - and it has cost me anywhere between $225-$365.

But here's the catch - that awesome new medication that they just gave me, well it really only costs about $1/pill - that's right, $1/pill. And so instead of being able to just buy a week's worth of the medication for myself for, around, $7, I have no paid over $300.

The hike in costs is so my doctor can afford that nicer house and car, and the insurance companies can continue making obscene amounts as well.

And you may be wondering why the pharmaceutical company doesn't just sell it direct instead of going through the pharmacy and doctor - well, that's because it's illegal. And why is it illegal ? Because insurance companies along with the AMA have bought and paid off our law makers.

AMERICA ! ! ! ! !

 

Odd how many of the people who love Obamacare have the same reasons for loving it as the people who hate it have for hating it...

Why not just keep pushing for single-payer or whatever it is that you want instead of willfully destroying American healthcare and risking people's lives for the mere chance of attaining your goal? It seems like a back-assward way of doing things. It is definitely underhanded and scandalous, that isn't even debatable.

 

Now ask Lizarddust how much he shells out in taxes every year to cover his medical costs whether he gets the flu or not. I'll bet it is well over a measly $300.