When it comes to Covid the United States is fifty different countries

All these comparisons of the US to countries like France, Spain etc are flawed in that in the US we have 50 governors making 50 different Covid policies independently. Alaska for instance has had 14 deaths which is far better than the much vaunted Australia. Always best to compare apples to apples and in that metric many of our states our doing very well. Montana for instance has had eighty deaths compared to Australia with its nearly 500 deaths. Apples to apples America is doing at or above average with Covid.

 

LOL Alaska has had over double the death rate of Australia. And if you treat the US as 50 different countries the worst hit top ten countries in the world with a population over 1 million has 9 "countries" in the US.

Oh and is this another of your copy & paste of articles. Alaska reached 14 deaths two months ago!. Trump is the cause of the terrible situation in the US.

Another failed thread by Joseph

 

This is not so right as you see it. The US is a federal state of 50 states ... others like my country - Germany - is also and it has 16 states.

In a federal state it is usually the case that many issues and things are in the responsibility of the individual state and not of the responsibility of the federal government.
The management of hospitals, for example, is a matter for the individual states, but then federal agencies such as the CDC in the USA or its counterpart in my country are located above it.
Or as far as schools are concerned ... as far as I know, in the US, like me in Germany, it is up to the individual states and not the federal government. So Trump has no real saying about re-opening schools, because it is an issue of the states and not him.

But in the end, all of your 50 states together are the United States of America as a whole.

And of course you are right on the one hand when it comes to looking at the bare numbers here. You have 320 million inhabitants and most of them don't ... so in terms of numbers it inevitably affects more people in the US than in countries with fewer inhabitants. So you have to look at the relation

 

Trump, Trump, Trump!!! If Trump discovered the cure for death itself Democrats would be whining that he's discriminating against morticians! We survived Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan ,George Bush #1, Bill Clinton, George Bush #2, Barack Obama, and if Trump wins a second term we'll SURVIVE that too. So get a grip Democrats, your hysteria is close to a phone call away from being "red flagged".

 

Your analogy is flawed from the start because Donald Trump is not discovering anything. He is anti-intellectual. You've seen how much he takes science seriously with this COVID crisis. Science was and is a nuisance to him, partially because science is fact based and Donald Trump is anything but.

Might want to come up with something that is at least partially realistic.

 

I stand by my last sentence.

 

Of course you survived even the worst presidents in the USA ... but not without dents, scratches and other damage, sometimes more and sometimes less ... both within the USA, but also in terms of your relations with other countries.

In the case of Trump, however, it is his total inability in itself, especially when dealing with COCID-19. He and his fans keep claiming that he pronounced the Travel Ban at the beginning of February 2020 and thus protected his country. This is total BS! It has allowed over 40,000 US citizens and those with valid green cards to return from China. That is, of course, OK, because what are they supposed to stay in China ... but was only one of these returnees tested for the virus at the airport or quarantined for 14 days to be on the safe side? No!
And so you Americans have, why suddenly the virus was present in you so massively from the end of February / beginning of March. And who is responsible for it because CBC & Co. are a federal authority and thing? Donald Trump!

Or from the past regarding his stupidity and damage to the US and the American people:
He sets heavy punitive tariffs on all steel imports into the USA because, according to his own statement, he protects the 40 to 50,000 American jobs in the steel industry and wants to create ? many new jobs. Sounds great, eh?
But it's not great for the USA, because since then steel has been consistently more expensive in the USA than anywhere else in the world and all the American companies that have to buy steel for the manufacture of their products are at a considerable disadvantage in terms of global competition. If e.g. John Deere has to pay 10% more to buy raw steel sheets for their agricultural machinery as the global competition manufactures, then that is not exactly an advantage and does not make jobs safer ... and we are talking about well over 1 million jobs in US companies that are affected and where these companies have a competitive disadvantage imposed by Trump!

 

Leftists constantly allege that Trump acts like a King with Carte Blanche, unjustly ruling the nation with his sceptre. Now as he legally respects and honors the constitution in deference to individual and states rights, you allege he has somehow failed in the carrying out of his duties as if he were a King disengaged from his kingdom.

The virus came from a Chinese lab, an experiment gone awry and covered up by China and the World Health Organization. President Trump became engaged with and acted upon this virus early on in mid January when he quarantined returning travelers from China. The left immediately accused Trump of being insensitive to the burden the returning travelers would face with a 14 day quarantine, as if Trump acted mindlessly, outside the scope of his authority and the virus was inconsequential. Then in late January, when Trump issued a travel ban to/from China to confine the virus and protect Americans, Democrats again accused him. They accused him of inventing a threat, as if the virus were a hoax so as to distract the nation from the lefts incessant efforts to manufacture an impeachment crisis. The left accused Trump of xenophobia, of endangering world economy, and of waging a personal campaign against China. In the same breath, the left counseled Americans to ignore the President, to consider the virus a hoax, to go out as normal and mingle to their hearts content and to (wink, wink)"eat Chinese" food. Then in February, Trump signed a European travel ban, later expanding it to include more nations. In the months following, Trump had almost daily briefings, negotiated with manufacturers to mass produce PPE's and ventilators, called for a partial shutdown of the economy, pushed for and signed into law a massive stimulus for individuals and businesses negatively affected. So here we are. The left is a joke, their criticisms a hoax, an attempt to makeup for their own ineptitude, and seize by force of will, the moral highground. It is laughable and pathetic.

 

Well said. Trump got nothing but criticism from the left with the shutdown but now they have the nerve to turn around and say it wasn't enough.

 

I can't speak for Germany or it's constitution if it even has one. I can only speak to America and it's constitution and the fact that fifty governors ran their states in fifty different ways as they saw fit which as far as covid is concerned made them fifty different countries. The vast majority of countries in the world are not a union of independent states as we have in America and one overarching government controls every facet of their country border to border.

Edit: A little research on my part points out the difference between Germany and America and states rights.


"Federalism is one of the entrenched constitutional principles of Germany. According to the German constitution"


That is the opposite of America where we put great emphasis on states rights.

 

Any thoughts on Trump's seizing supplies ordered by individual states?

 

Care to elaborate?

 

You can't compare a land-locked, low population state like Montana to a country with multi-national airports and sea ports with billions of dollars of trade passing through - its just asinine. Apples to apples would be comparing California or Florida to Australia. (Florida with 10,000 deaths).

 

Sure - although this was wide spread news at the time
Although President Trump has directed states and hospitals to secure what supplies they can, the federal government is quietly seizing orders, leaving medical providers across the country in the dark about where the material is going and how they can get what they need to deal with the coronavirus pandemic.

Hospital and clinic officials in seven states described the seizures in interviews over the past week. The Federal Emergency Management Agency is not publicly reporting the acquisitions, despite the outlay of millions of dollars of taxpayer money, nor has the administration detailed how it decides which supplies to seize and where to reroute them.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-07/hospitals-washington-seize-coronavirus-supplies

FEMA "swept up" an order for 500 ventilators made by the state of Colorado last week, Gov. Jared Polis told CNN on April 4.

"We're competing against any other state, every other country," he said. "Now we're even competing against the federal government."
Similar accusations have come from officials on the local and state levels in Massachusetts, New Jersey, Kentucky, Texas, and Florida. Shanel Robinson, freeholder director of the community of Somerset County, New Jersey, told local news outlet the Franklin Reporter and Advocate she had been informed that her order of 35,000 N95 and surgical masks had been diverted by federal government. She said she doesn't know where the masks went.
https://www.businessinsider.com/cor...-taking-states-masks-ventilator-orders-2020-4

The DPA allowed FEMA to start “jumping to the front of the line,” Fugate said, intercepting some orders for medical goods to states or hospitals and redistributing them to agency-determined “high-risk areas.”

Yet that created its own problems. In some cases, hospitals and governors, including Polis, said their orders were canceled without notice, only to learn FEMA had received the goods.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/13/states-baffled-coronavirus-supplies-trump-179199

 

That's why there's cdc. NIH. For the federal government to have a coordinated effort against national outbreaks.

Just another in a long list of tRUMP failing Americans.

Another failed thread.

 

And thats my point. Every state is different and unique. An entity unto itself.

 

Interesting accusations but not really relevant to the fact that governors make their own covid policy and as far as I know no state has run out of anything from mask to ventilators so the distribution policy must have worked.

 

CDC provides guidance but has no authority to force governors to follow those policies.

 

Which would still mean that the States that produce the largest share of America's GDP have done very poorly in
handling Covid. And you still need inter-state commerce to keep the smaller states running - which means exposing them to states with. higher Covid rates. These states aren't living in a bubble unless yo want to cut them off from the rest of the country.

 

If that's your take on the situation - good for you. If you would like to ignore the fact that there were still massive shortages of masks and PPE for hospitals at the start of July, again, good for you.

 

Not really sure what your point is here as pertaining to the OP. Each state sets it's own covid policy. Hawaii for instance has a strict quarantine period for out of state arrivals.

 

Shortages as in doctors and nurses are functioning without mask? That's blatantly false.

 

A quick google search will reveal several accounts of this:

In a statement, a Kaiser Permanente spokesman said the hospital is using a combination of new and reused N95 masks. “Like all health care providers, we continue to experience shortages of PPE, including N95 masks. We are aggressively managing our supply chain and working with existing and new manufacturers to increase these supplies,” the statement read.

A recent survey by the American Nurses Association found that 79 percent of nurses were encouraged, or even required, to reuse PPE, and 59 percent said they felt unsafe doing so. The survey included more than 14,000 nurses from all 50 states.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...owns-dire-ppe-shortages-reveal-covid-n1229546

 

As I said doctors and nurses are not functioning without mask.
By the way your link is very old.

 

NIH? HHS?