Where Did Pop Music Go?

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  1. bobov

    bobov New Member

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    I just watched/listened to the video of Wrecking Ball. Two things jumped out at me: there is no pretense of matching her mouth to her words (at a few points she actually sings while her mouth is closed in the video); she often wipes away non-existant tears. This unconcealed artifice weakens the performance. Of course hip apologists will claim Cyrus was making an ironic comment, but I doubt it. She just didn't care because her audience doesn't care. But the less people care about, the less they accomplish.

    The video you show was hastily substituted for the pornographic original, which seemingly generated too much controversy. It was everywhere, then it was pulled. Maybe it was a ploy for publicity. You can still see the original with Spanish subtitles. Here is is. Cyrus looks good (if she wants a new boyfriend, I'm available), but what does that have to do with song?
     
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    the production quality of the video is irrelevant, the woman can sing...
     
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    Yes, she can sing. But her singing is just one part of a package assembled by many people: several song writers, producers, technicians, and the people who designed, directed, and made the video; those who put together and design her tours, PR, etc. Like I wrote, she's just the face of a large corporate project. The online discussions of how the song relates to her personal life are ridiculous since it's not her song. I know that there is a real Miley Cyrus, but the "artist" Miley Cyrus scarcely exists. So yes, she can sing. That's her contribution to the project.
     
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    Ding ding ding - we have a winner!!!!!
     
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    It Isn't About Singing anymore.

    Singing ! ?
    It hasn't been about singing since Milli Vanilli or Tina Turner's legs, although she could sing too. :wink:
    The "music video" probably helped the demise of Pop Music songs too. It added visuals.

    As for Ms. Cyrus.
    I like her product. Not as a toe tapping, sing along or memorable song.
    I like her product for the manner she is fashioning her career. Breaking out from Hannah Montana
    into a sexual, young lady who could even put down Matt Lauer.
    As she loses her looks, she will have to fall back on talent or aging fans who remember when.
    Cher seems to have morphed this well.

    As for Pop Music,
    There hasn't been anything good since the '70's, pre Punk.
    Those were the days when many bands were living in San Francisco, unknown and poor, working out their talent in a Pressure Cooker of talent that exploded in the late sixties and seventies. No such pressure cookers of talent have existed since. And of course many were not part of it, put certainly influenced by it such as
    Mr. Skinner's band :wink:
    Really, dude - is a misspell worth the wrath?


    Moi :oldman:
    In my youth I cruised Pacific Coast Highway through Huntington Beach listening to the newest Beach Boys cut.
     
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    double post:smile:
     
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    Good music (and movies too) is boycotted, bad music is promoted, because music is an emotional thing. Happy and good music is important for freedom, because happy and good music makes you feel happy, and gives a free emotional feeling, bad music does the opposite (and even causes adhd and builds up fight and anger in people) Because there is a incremental psychogical war going on for twenty years (we are brought into the 'darkness', because when people are depressed/fed up of the current situation, politics can take advantage of that psychological state, because people want that good time with good music returned again, so they think they can get that period back by voting in mass on a popular and trusted politician, but the opposite will happen, because they are organized without notion, because you don't notice a psywar and how ideology is at work, and when you notice, you start to try resist it (you want that happy period back), and again your are organized)
     
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    Sure it has, grandpa.
     
  9. bobov

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    The Cult of Youth is funny. All human beings want to think well of themselves, so they reach for whatever is convenient. Most young people don't have money, accomplishment, or education; they don't know much and haven't done much. So the solution is obvious: make youth itself the most important thing. Young people have youth, so they assure us youth is supreme. Of course, we all get older every day, so the young are standing inside an hour glass. When Matt Lauer was asked about Cyrus's remark that sex isn't for those over 40, he replied "let's do the interview again when she's 55." The young journalist speaking with him looked shocked. She must have thought her youth was perpetual.

    P.S. The old, who have experience, will tell you experience is supreme. Everybody makes the most of who they are. All part of the human comedy. The difference is that the old know they're rationalizing; many of the young actually believe their own hooey.
     
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    Do you like modern pop music? Personally, I think it sucks. Some, but not all, of my friends listen to that sort of music, and I don't understand why. The only pop music that I like is old pop music (singers like Michael jackson, etc.)
     
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    I'm not particularly fond of it no
     
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    What music do you listen to?

    I mainly listen to metal music, but not crappy thrash metal or screamo metal. I listen to skillet, marty friedman, yngwie malmsteen, pillar, POD, twisted sister, evanscenece, tony macalpine metallica (theyre the only good thrash band).

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    Even without the gross music video, "wrecking ball" is simply a horrible song. It's melodramatic and generic. Miley Cyrus's old song, "see you again", actually was a great pop song. It had a very, for lack of better terms, "epic" and "mysterious/dreamy" atmosphere and mood. Wrecking Ball just sounded like a depressing whiny song.

    There are some exceptions to the rule. Some pop songs are good. But as a general rule, modern pop music sucks.
     
  13. bobov

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    Yes, but I love that gross video. I've played it a few times with the sound muted. Just as good. Nothing like casting taste to the winds.
     

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