Where would you choose to live:Iran(worst foe of USA) or Saudi Arabia(oldest ally USA

Where would you choose to live:Iran(worst foe of USA) or Saudi Arabia(oldest ally USA), answer not just Iran or KSA explain your choice

 

Well, if I had to live in one of these two countries I would go with Saudi Arabia simply because my odds of being incarcerated or executed are lower that way. It is a land that happens to be even less free on the whole than Iran but, given who I am and what I think, may be marginally less dangerous.

Relative to Saudi Arabia, Iran seems to be more violent in its reaction to protests, is far more inclined to execute people for some forms of conduct Westerners would not think of as criminal, and folk who are thought to be dissidents are at times put in some pretty nasty prisons without going through the proper legal processes. Iran has a lot of social mores codified into law, it is not really safe to be in opposition parties, it’s definitely not a good place to try being a journalist, and the Iranian state’s degree of respect for human rights appears to have been deteriorating for at least a few years.

On the other hand, Iran has a nicer climate and better scenery at least. It allows parties to exist, people to vote, and despite having a religious government has a constitution that is not Scripture. There is somewhat less discrimination against women compared to Saudi society and a bloke can actually be a subject without practicing Islamic faith. Moderate voices for reform have an accepted place in challenging the current establishment, though the consequences can be pretty unpleasant if one gets caught criticizing the government or calling into doubt Islam’s place in the system.

Both of these places look like hell-holes of course. They each have a thoroughly religious government, are authoritarian in nature, suppress freedom of academia, go to pretty great lengths to censor the media and block many thousands of websites, have little in the way of tolerance for dissent, arrest protesters, and are rife with discrimination along lines of sex, sexual orientation, nationality, ethnicity, and creed. Neither of the governments in question have any qualms about using torture, nor have they much patience with anybody who tries to educate or promote secular ideas, or teachings of non-Islamic faiths.

 

Oldest ally in the Middle East

 

Iran most resembles a modern nation.

 

As a male Saudi Arabia lots of freedom for male plus lots of oil money, for females Iran because Iran is more likely to change than Saudi Arabia.

 

Saudi Arabia, because I think Americans are not very welcome in Iran.

 

Iran. The women are prettier.

 

I think you would actually find more hostility in Saudia Arabia. They see the US as a Christian nation, they tend to execute them. Iran tolerates Christians. Neither tolerates Jewish people.

 

I agree Saudi Arabia, besides I have grown very fond of my head,,no matter what my wife may say about it....

 

A lot of those Persian women are drop-dead gorgeous. Gimme Iran.

 

Neither really does, honestly....

 

Not neccessarily.. Many Saudi women are quite beautiful.

Saudi Arabia has never had the sort of upheavals that Iran and Iraq have experienced... Americans are welcome.

 

Saudi Arabia has a thing for executing people, but it's not specifically towards Christians.

Granted, apostasy is still punishable, but that only applies to people that convert out of Islam. If you've never been a Muslim, then being a Christian won't get you punished or executed.

 

pardon me, but are you a gay?

 

iran
Saudi

 

of cos you are in 5 minutes form bombing them back to stone age. PS every one welcome in Iran, believe me

 

Sexual orientation can get a bit more complicated than labels would suggest. I opt for "heteroflexible" since heterosexual somewhat understates my limited measure of same-sex attraction whilst bisexual overstates it. "Pansexual" would not work for the same reason for me, in addition to it incorrectly implying some attraction toward trans-women. To make this relevant to the thread though, I could very easily and happily spend the rest of my life in opposite-sex relationships and convince those who know me that I've no mixed feelings.

The concern is rather that I am a native of the United States, am atheist, an opponent of both countries' political and economic systems, in the case of Iran sympathize with Kurdish separatists, and favor a two-state resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I imagine that my openness in criticizing U.S. imperialism back during the Cold War and sympathy for the plight of Palestinians would not suffice to dissuade the regime from considering me an enemy provided I were to abstain from being active in local politics and saved all of my dissent for online discussions like the one we are partaking in right now. If the ruling regimes were not at all a factor in making this decision, Iran would seem overwhelmingly inviting to me compared to Saudi Arabia.

But provided I were not to openly discuss matters of faith, my initial impression is the Iranian government would be less tolerant of my presence than its Saudi counterpart. Do you think I may have miscalculated? I am not very familiar with either country, after all, and perhaps you have some interesting insights to share?

 

my advice travel and live in some other country ... you are compliantly wrong...for new, start with this

http://nowomennoplay.org/index.php?...frican-racial-apartheid&catid=1:news&Itemid=4

PS any hetresaxual man will choose Iran , just because the KSA is SO GAY, by all means

http://www.cifiaonline.com/riyadhagayheaven.htm

 

I honestly don't have a problem with gay folk - some of my friends are homosexual and I do not think their preferences are strange or in any way disgusting, much less a reason to either avoid or be drawn to a particular city or country. If you think Iran is a less politically and religiously repressive place than Saudi Arabia I'd gladly accept your advice and change my preference here to Iran, but neither the night life nor the ease of pursuing romantic interests is high on my list of priorities when considering in which distant, unfamiliar land to live.

As for traveling, perhaps someday. A combination of underemployment, personality problems, and the consequences of a reclusive lifestyle severely limit my freedom of movement to anywhere more than three of four kilometers from home. Perhaps a lack of hands-on experience and travel do in fact limit my wisdom on a number of subjects and hold me back as a political theorist! Nonetheless, I try to make the best of the situation and not be miserable about it.

 

make them a present buy the tickets to Riyadh , self can go to Tehran and be a rock star once in your life

 

Saudi Arabia still beheads people, at times for what we would consider petty crimes or no crime at all..

 

I realize that, but I feel my chances are better of keeping it there......

 

Well, who knows. I think Iran gets a bad rap here while Saudi Arabia's atrocities are ignored, all for political reasons. I wouldn't want to be stuck in either one, of course, but I just get the feeling that Iran would be not only safer for me, but closer to what I'm accustomed to in the west. At least they hopefully don't have those long lines of trucks hauling sewage that Saudi Arabia has

 

I would shoot myself in the head before I ever went to any koranimal country. I'm pissed there are any in mine.

 

Saudi Arabia. Then I could get a gun, go to a Wahabi madrassa and gun down as many of the faculty as I could before someone shot me dead. What they want for us should be what we give them.