Which is worse

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  1. Incorporeal

    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    Only going by the definitions offered by a standard dictionary... and exercising that science of semantics.... deal with it.
     
  2. stroll

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    Copy-pasting descriptions from a concise dictionary is hardly "exercising" any science. lol
    Specially not when deliberately misrepresenting comments one pretends to respond to.
     
  3. Incorporeal

    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    Neither is copying and pasting information from various science texts and other scientific documents which was not written by the people who are doing the copying and pasting of such scientific documents and texts. Who is the most formidable at copying such scientific documents and texts... well of course, the wanna-be scientists called non-theists especially when they are attempting to use those scientific documents and texts to deliberately misrepresent what is written in a religious text or religious document.
     
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    Again. Why does it matter. It is only belief.
     
  5. Slyhunter

    Slyhunter New Member Past Donor

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    If you don't believe and he is real you go to hell. That matters.
    I no longer believe it. God might be real but the bible is full of (*)(*)(*)(*). However, it's a good gimmick.
     
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    Slyhunter New Member Past Donor

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    What makes the bible more believable than the Talmud or the Quran or even the Buddhist having their visions. I know they cite evidence of certain events actually happened that are described in the bible, but isn't that what you would expect from a good book of mythology that they simply give credit or blame to a God that neither earned it nor deserved it.
     
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    can I answer with a question: Does it matter?

    Whether someone believes in a God or not really shouldn't matter to anybody else. If your neighbor believes in God, how does this effect you. Or the other way around: If your neighbor doesn't believe in God, how does this effect you.

    Whether you believe or don't believe shouldn't matter. It's what you can you do for your society and the people around you that matters.
     
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    Gaming theory would determine that believing in God has the best outcome.
     
  9. Slyhunter

    Slyhunter New Member Past Donor

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    I repeat, if you don't believe and he's real, according to the bible, you go to hell. So yes it does matter.
     
  10. mihapiha

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    Well there are about 6 billion people who don't believe in the bible and who right now live on this planet. If you don't believe in it, you're not really afraid of it.
    Buddhists believe in reincarnations. Why should they matter. Besides, as a Christian you ought to know that the bible says that you remain waiting till judgement day. Judgement day could be in 30 years or in 30,000. A long time to wait along side Hitler and Ghandi to see where you end up. Maybe in them 30k years you have time to kiss up to Jesus. ;)
     
  11. Anobsitar

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    An interesting question. We say "god is truth". That's why Christians don't say "I know [the will of] god" but say "I believe in god". This statement is true - is in harmony with god - because it includes both: as well the existance of god, as well the non-existance of god. Although we are thinking so since hundreds or thousands of years this kind of thoughts are similiar to very modern structures of thoughts. We say for example that an electron is a particle and a wave - but we are not able to imagine this. We do not know (in a sense of natural science) wether god is existing, wether god is not existing or wether god is existing and not existing the same time (What no one should believe because this is a contradiction although it could be possible because god is allmighty) - and much more worse: we do not even know wether the solution of this intellectual 'problem' (it is not a real problem because we can trust in god - he's our father and our mother) is not something that we are not even able to think. So: the truth needs our heart - "god is love" - that's our hope - our important harbor.

    http://youtu.be/c4UoqQFYzWQ
     
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    So if you would have a reason to hate god then you would believe in him otherwise not?

    http://youtu.be/msYK1YFhL74
     
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    He could be dressed in a Nazi-uniform and shoot me down. Fortunatelly the world is sometimes a much better place then some people are able to imagine. See:

    [video=youtube_share;3q_8NCJwAMg]http://youtu.be/3q_8NCJwAMg[/video]

    http://youtu.be/iGgCC5l9H8Q
     
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    That I agree with. But how is my life effected by what my neighbor chooses to do in his house (and what is protected by the constitution). Whether they believe in a God, multiple Gods or no God, really doesn't change my day.
     
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    I'm a German and I don't think it's unimportant what's going on all around me.

    http://youtu.be/kapS4U9hWoM
     
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    So let me get this straight: First you believe that knowing the religious believes of your neighbors is valid and important information everybody has to know? And secondly how are you effected by the religion of your neighbor down the street? Are they noisy because of their noisy religion, or do they just come by all the time and try to make you a member of their religion? I do not understand how else you could personally be effected otherwise.
     
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    People are proud on their religion and culture - they don't hide it. Only atheists have problems with their religion because they don't believe that they have a religion.

    Example: No one here in my street works on Sunday

    Again: I'm a German. The american constitution is for me for example only a nice piece of paper. For me it's not normal how Americans are living - so I don't know what you like to say to me with this lines. Religion is completly normal in the place where I am living.

    http://youtu.be/2y8ZnrNd7uE
     
  19. stroll

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    Actually, atheists only have "problems" with other people's religion - when it's being imposed on them. Or the believers themselves can pose a 'problem', like when they shun atheists because of prejudice.
    This often happens in areas where one religion predominates, for example Catholicism in rural Bavaria.

    Yep, all the shops are forced to close on Sundays, because religion dictates it...
     
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    See what I mean, guys? lol
     
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    [video=youtube_share;eRor5Uf6iM4]http://youtu.be/eRor5Uf6iM4[/video]
     
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    We are using a right-wrong logic (2 components)

    00: god is existing - the belief in god is true
    01: god is existing - the not-belief in god is false
    10: god is not existing - the belief in god is false
    11: god is not existing - the not-belief in god is true

    But what about if an angel would use a three-component logic. I don't know the third possibillity - true- false and ¿whatelse? - but I could describe the "universe" of this 3-component logic with some numbers:

    000, 001, 002, 010, 011, 012, 020, 021, 022,
    100, 101, 102, 110, 111, 112, 120, 121, 122,
    200, 201, 202, 210, 211, 212, 220, 221, 222.

    This would mean: where we have 4 possible answers an hypothetic angel - thinking in a 3-component logic - could have 27 possible answers. 27-4=23. So: 23 answers of this hypothetic angel we would not be able to understand.

    [video=youtube_share;f8KLLSFSuGY]http://youtu.be/f8KLLSFSuGY[/video]
     

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