"White slag" she yelled as kicked her in the head

Yet she's allowed to walk free because she's a Muslim.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Page-head-yelling-kill-white-slag-FREED.html

However insulting someone on a train is the REAL crime (especially if the perpetrator is a wretched, horrid, evil whitey)

A white, working-class person's life in the UK is worthless.

 

Where is it shown that they were allowed to walk "free" (a six month suspended sentence isn't really free) because they were Muslim.

Please don't be fooled by the tabloid lie of talking about "X happening after Y" to present the false impression that "X happened because of Y". If you really want to know why the sentence was given, you need to read the judges report (which I believe should be in the public domain) rather than trashy tabloids trying to stir up more racial hatred.

That woman was apparent arrested but hasn't been charged or convicted of anything as far as I'm aware. Even if she is, I guarantee she'll get much less than a six month suspended sentence. If she hadn't been filmed and become infamous, she would have got away with it completely.

Speak for yourself! My life has plenty of worth.

 

She's been in police custody for the past week! For saying a few words! Murder and rape suspects get bail ffs! I personally know of people who have been cautioned for glassing people and release the next morning. Yet for some word this woman is still in a cell after a week.

What is wrong with the priorities in this country. Apartheid has come full-circle.

 

You know that Muslims are very privileged minority in the Western Countries, everybody has to respect Muslims.There is neither Law nor any Obligations for Muslims, they may demand anything they want and never work.

 

She was apparently kept in custody for her own safety (ultimately due to the media blowing this in to a big national story). It seems her court date was today (bet that doesn't get much coverage unless something "controversial" happened).

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/883361-...rience-video-locked-up-for-her-own-protection

Beats me. Why is the race and religion of these people your priority? Why are complaining about this specific sentence when it's probably pretty much in line with those given for similar offences? Why is a minor incident on a tram getting so much attention just because it appeared on YouTube? Why is an assault getting so much attention because the attackers were Muslim (and women probably) when dozens of much more serious crimes happen every Saturday evening without a passing comment? Why does the tabloid media seem more interested in feeding racial hatred than reducing crime?

 

English people in England don't have much of a future.

 

Even after the police came and they all ran away, one of them came running back to kick me in the head one last time

Well geez, one woman gets held up in jail now for more than a week in a rather spiteful company supposedly for her own protection over her heat-stroke induced (due to subway car overcrowding) racial-motivated ramblings, while others get away scott-free with a racially-motivated aggrevated physical assault. Here in Canada too there was a woman given a 6-month suspended sentence and a lot of community service last week for pulling down another woman's head scarf. How was this equally aggrevated from a legal standing as a vicious kick to the head and repeated strikes by several attackers?

 

Pity they gave up their guns.

 

It's threads like this that underline why America totally fails whenever it steps outside of its borders and interferes .
What an embarrassment Americans are when they start to mix with almost anyone but their own .
The shallowness and lack of awareness is staggering .
The two most graphic examples over the last decade are Iraq and Afghanistan, where time and time again it has been clear that Americans can blast their way to gaining a battle advantage but they are utterly incapable of winning wars .
Their enemies loathe them and everything they stand for .And they behave as though this over riding objective is not understood .They will give you sage comments like ... kill them, nuke them , get rid of them , who cares what they think , and on and on and on
Even a country like the UK which is nominally your closest ally finds you an embarrassing force to work with -- you can get a result through fire power but the battles are then always repeatedly lost because there is no inkling of you ever being able to win hearts and minds .
You are so clueless .

 

At least we have teeth. There's something to be said for dental hygiene. That's more than can be said for America's little helper.

 

Silly Billy . You gave exactly the predicted answer --- " At least we have teeth " which actually means " We get up , fight and win".
And we say in reply , " Duh"
Frankly , you did not understand one jot of what I wrote , otherwise you would not have posted in the precise way which says , I did not hear one word but we are the tough kids on the block"

We don't need an Imperialist power interfering and looting -- which is all America does .
We don't need an Imperialist power whose Geo Political Strategy is only about , Take , Take and then more Take .
We don't want a power whose powers of judgement are abysmal .
We don't want to associate with people who are teeth obsessed yet can never win a conflict or war -- let alone win hearts and minds .
We don't resent America because we envious or jealous or frightened .
We simply want you out of the way because you are Oafs and what we call Clod Hoppers --- puffed up bully boys who swagger around but are full of hot air .
And we have reached the stage where we could not care less what you think of us , providing we can hide you in the cupboard or just lose you for a couple of decades whilst the smart guys pick up the pieces .

 

I appreciate your perspective. And in large part I agree. I oppose the Anglo-American alliance. It makes no sense for either party. Familiarity has bred contempt.

 

But not on an individual and Forum contributor basis , I trust . ( Fick , it's Xmas).

 

You're good to go through December 31st.

 

It should go without saying that it was a disgusting attack with no justification or excuse. There is an argument for crimes like this in general to bring tougher sentences though there is also an argument for them to bring actually effective sentences (because throwing people in a cell for a few months so we can pretend they don't exist isn't a solution).

That has nothing to do with my challenge of the accusation that those women we're given a more lenient sentence because of their religion or the suggestion this sentence is (rightly or not) fairly consistant for the nature of the crime.

Where does the heat-stroke question come in - she hasn't given any defence or mitigation yet? It was also not a subway but an (overground) tram and the video doesn't suggest it was especially overcrowed or hot.

There is actually hardly anything at all to connect these two offences and no real justification to compare them, especially since one is still in the legal process.

A six month suspended sentence is not "scott-free".

It isn't. Maybe the punishment in that case was too harsh. Maybe you're not being honest about the severity of the offence being just pulling done a scarf. Maybe the Canadian legal system is different to the British one. Maybe the world isn't perfect.

 

I'd settle for criminals being thrown in cells for a few months, enabling the rest of us to go about our business in peace until a 'solution' is found. A suspended sentence is not "scott free" just like an ASBO isn't either.

If the reports are true, the judge gave these women suspended sentences after hearing they were not used to drinking alcohol because their religion does not allow it. They used their religion in their defence. and the judge went along with it and also decided the crime, inextricably, wasn't racially motivated. Judges have a shedload of excuses to fit whoever appears before them.

 

It#s a shame the lad she was with wasn't leglessly drunk... He could have dealt with it there and then. These (*)(*)(*)(*)ing (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)es should have had a good hiding there and then.

Saying that, I do get the feeling when reading other news reports, that the entire mulsim thing has been blown out of proportion by the Mail.

 

For a solution to be found, somebody has to be looking for it. Just throwing criminals in cells for a few months achieves less than nothing. If anything, short sentences alone increase reoffending rates.

Please read my first post regarding the difference in tabloid-speak between happening "after" and happening "because of" (http://www.politicalforum.com/weste...g-she-yelled-kicked-her-head.html#post4800945).

The women apparently used not being used to alcohol as an mitigation. Their religion is the reason for that. Religion itself isn't being used as a mitigation or defence - there could have been another reason they weren't used to alcohol and the mitigation would have been the same. The judge didn't "go along with" anything - a defendant can offer pretty much anything they want in defence or mitigation however ridiculous.

The judge also won't have made the decision about racial motivation. The prosecution would have decided which office to bring charges for. They didn't include racial motivated forms. We don't have enough here to judge whether that decision was right or wrong.

 

So give criminals longer or tougher, or both, sentences then. Past and present governments have spent an awful lot of money trying to find a solution, but so far they've been largely unsuccessful. Meanwhile criminals continue to offend and everyone else suffers.

I'd read the thread, including your post, immediately before I replied. I'd also read the Telegraph's reports, here and here. It's hard to judge how factually it has been reported because no other broadsheet, apart from the Telegraph, chose to report it at all as far as I can tell. The BBC seems to have ignored it too. Do you think it would have ignored this had the victim been Somalian and Muslim and the attackers white?

From the Telegraph: The four defendants shouted “kill the white slag” as they attacked Rhea Page after dragging her to the ground ..."But Judge Robert Brown gave them six-month suspended sentences after deciding that the attack in Leicester city centre was not racially motivated ... He heard in mitigation that the four were not used to alcohol because their religion does not allow it."

I treat all reports in the press with suspicion, and the tabloids most of all.

 

Long and "tough" sentences don't achieve anything either. You're not looking for a solution, you're looking for a way to sweep the problems under the carpet so you can forget they exist (and you're far from alone).

As it happens, there have been much more successful ways for dealing with criminals and reducing reoffending rates, in places like Scandinavia for example. The problem is that the kind of things that achieve results there are instantly leaped on by the rabid idiots here as being "soft on criminals".

I honestly don't know. The stories that the national media does and doesn't pick up often seem quite random. I suspect the fact there was a video avaible was a key factor in this case though. The rarity (percieved and I suspect actual) of Muslim women comitting this kind of crime was probably relevant too (though maybe with different root motives).

There are thousands of assaults involving all sorts of different races, nationalities and religions every year in the UK and a tiny handful are ever meantioned in the national media (not suprising - they have limited space). All the outlets have their biases (and those of their target audience) and are likely to select and spin stories to meet that demand. I suspect at least as many outlets would have ignored this story had the races been reversed as those who would have picked it up. I also supect it wouldn't make any different either way to many.

Sadly, an all too necessary attitude but one not nearly enough people have, even in the face of recent events.

 

Since the sentence handed down was of no real penal value and the assailants also showed absolutely no remorce, and since jailing violent assailants who attack in packs is no solution at all, it goes without saying the family of the victim should now go after her attackers with baseball bats. Then if they leave some blue skin areas, jailing them is of no solution value at all.

 

Pretty much. I suspect a lot of white Brits will be moving here eventually. I know I would if I had to deal with that crap over there.

 

Let's see if the train lady gets the same sentence.

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LOL! It's looking that way. Their only hope is to flush socialism, progressive ideology, and multiculturalism down the toilet.

They should have clung to their guns and religion as President Obama put it.
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Yeah, we should have let the Kaiser have his way.


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