it seems to me like there is no win-win situation for minorities and the lower-class in politics, because we're just pawns! on the democratic hand they thrive on minorities and the lower-class to put their lives in the governments hands with welfare, so its like a step parent giving us what we want to win our favor! and on the republic hand, i think they're rooting more for the middle-class and that 1%, so they could care less about the lower working class! should i just remain neutral!?
There is a sizable portion of the Republican Party that is concerned with the working class, however there is an equally sizable portion of the Republican Party that are establishment and elitist-centric, like the Democrats. At one time the Democrats cared about the working class, but that started to end in the 70's so I would say now, there isn't really a party that is interested in working class concerns, but there are more of them in the Republican Party than the Democrats currently.
Republican policies are indifferent to race or class. They work for everyone. That's what people don't understand because the policies don't get promoted that way. The liberal media constantly goes out of its way to try to distort them and portray them as being "pro-rich" policies. Technically, they are only pro-rich in the sense that they help everybody who follows them get rich no matter where they are starting from. If more people understood this, more people would support them.
Yeah! You nailed it! - - - Updated - - - Please prove that last claim. Or....is that just a feeling that you have?
you know what the sad part is? my mother has been on welfare most of her life, and i cant say shes not disabled. the doctors have her so doped up on pills that she has regular anxiety attacks and literally drops to the floor in sleep every other day and she has to take care of three other kids(1 whose father likes to cause financial problems; 1 who likes to tell his mom to shut up; and 1 who dosent have a babysitter, so my mother practically HAS to stay home). my mother even once told me in these EXACT words: 'when you get that job, no matter how bad it is, just tolerate it, cause you never want to be on welfare, its very stressful'...
Please prove what? That there isn't a party concerned with working class concerns? What would constitute acceptable proof?
Want to support lower class people? Support capitalism so they aren't poor anymore. And if a socialist ever tells you capitalism hurts poor people, point all around you and say "Explain all this then".
You are really being obtuse. Is it that there are more of them in the Republican Party than the Democrats currently? Again, what would constitute proof?
Some evidence. Maybe some proposed legislation? How about some policy statements? You made the claim. What did you use to come to that conclusion?
Welfare sucks. It's like a narcotic. It ropes people in and makes them dependent on it. Democrats, in all of their ever-loving compassion, honestly think they are helping people by giving them free money (or at least the voters do.... the politicians are a different story). But what they don't realize is that they are more like the drug dealer who offers somebody crack for the first time. "Here, try this. It'll make you feel good. It won't hurt you. You won't get hooked. Try it." And then they end up creating an endless string of addicts.
can you help me with this? What do the letters after this name mean? I know the "D" is for democrat but what do the others stand for? if I am asking this question in the wrong place please forgive my ignorance and direct me to the right place. New York State Assembly Angelo Santabarbara (D-C-I-WF) Thanks
OK I already know how this will play out, but I'll give you an example anyway, and then you can disagree with it. Comprehensive immigration reform is a direct attack on the working class.Wages have been flat for lower middle class and working class folks for a dozen years. So therefore, the Democrats and quite a few Republicans want to legalize the 11 million illegals who are here and increase legal immigration from about a million a year to 3 million a year, Now the bulk, if not all of the illegals are people engaged in manual labor, working class jobs, and trades. Right now because they are illegal they are limited in the jobs they can get. It has to be either from someone who is willing to pay cash under the table or they have to have fake ID, SS cards and so on. Once they're legal, they can go anywhere and work anywhere because they will have legal papers to do so. The unemployment rate is much higher for the lower classes than for the upper classes. As bad as the economy is, the unemployment rate for college educated people is 3.8% but for people with less than a high school education it's 11%. So why in the world would we bring in 11 million more people to compete with the people having the hardest time getting jobs? It's all about depressing wage rates. There are forces in this country that want a steady stream of unskilled labor pouring into this country to keep the working people with few options. Now, although both parties support doing this to some degree, the Democrats are pretty much united in supporting it. The Republican establishment, the Wall Street Journal types, of course support it. But there is a slim majority of the Republicans who oppose it. But they are not the ones in party leadership positions. So there you have it. Rebut away!
Don't know the exact number. Could be 11 million, could be 20 million. But that's a distraction. You wanted an example, I gave it to you. How do you plead?
Knucklehead, Those 11 million....or 20 million.....already have jobs ( if they are of age ). So the idea that immigration reform would steal jobs from anyone is retarded. They ALREADY HAVE THE JOBS. Now....if you think that ANOTHER 11 million adult immigrants will enter the US upon passage of this bill....you might have an argument. Of course, you'd be silly to think that. You fail.
Gee, you fulfilled your role exactly as predicted! I couldn't have done a better job if I were controlling both ends of this conversation. I predicted you would disagree and try to debunk, and I was right! However I thought youmight make a salient point. In that regard, you failed. I addressed this issue in my post. " Right now because they are illegal they are limited in the jobs they can get. It has to be either from someone who is willing to pay cash under the table or they have to have fake ID, SS cards and so on. Once they're legal, they can go anywhere and work anywhere because they will have legal papers to do so." So in other words, you've aligned yourself against the interests of the working class. Why are you trying to screw us?
I know you tried to hedge you comments in your post. But you failed to pass the logic test. If these immigrants leave the job that they have now for new jobs "anywhere" once they become "legal", then the jobs that they leave will open up. You are strangling yourself with your twisted logic. Unless you are predicting that 11 million NEW immigrants are headed our way....your math takes a (*)(*)(*)(*). You ought to stop now.
You finally got it! Yes those jobs open up, to again be filled by illegals. That's exactly how the last amnesty played out.
