Who has the right to Israel?

There were Jews in Palestine when Hadrian was Emperor, but far more lived outside Palestine.. Remember all the Berber conversions and Queen Kadima?

 

That's not what i read in wiki just now, the march was in Jaffa-Tel Aviv only, "finally" Arab involvemnt included acts of murder and rape ! the Arab casulities were made by the british police force and not the evil communist jews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots

I assume you mentioned this riot above else for its communism affinity , Israel is not a communist country in case you dont know, althou I think every man can choose what set of ideals he wants to live by - including communism

 

Based on what? your hopes?

 

Most of the Jewish settlers were communists and socialists in the 1920s and 1930s.

On the night of 1 May 1921, the Jewish Communist Party (precursor of the Palestine Communist Party) distributed Arabic and Yiddish fliers calling for the toppling of British rule and the establishing a "Soviet Palestine".

The party announced its intention to parade from Jaffa to neighbouring Tel Aviv to commemorate May Day. On the morning of the parade, despite a warning to the 60 members present from one of Jaffa's most senior police officers, Toufiq Bey al-Said, who visited the party's headquarters, the march headed from Jaffa to Tel Aviv through the mixed Jewish-Arab border neighbourhood of Manshiyya.[1]

Another large May Day parade had also been organised for Tel Aviv by the rival socialist Ahdut HaAvoda group, with official authorisation.

When the two processions met, a fistfight erupted.[1] Police attempted to disperse the about 50 communist protestors, and Muslims and Christians intervened to help the police against the Jews. A general disturbance quickly ensued and spread to the southern part of town.[2]

Dozens of British, Arab, and Jewish witnesses all reported that Arab men bearing clubs, knives, swords, and some pistols broke into Jewish buildings and murdered their inhabitants, while women followed to loot.[citation needed] They attacked Jewish pedestrians and destroyed Jewish homes and stores.[citation needed] They beat and killed Jews in their homes, including children, and in some cases split open the victims' skulls.[1]

At 1:00 pm, an immigrant hostel run by the Zionist Commission and home to a hundred people who had arrived in recent weeks and days was attacked by the mob, and though the residents tried to barricade the gate, it was rammed open and Arabs attackers poured in.[citation needed] The stone-throwing was followed by bombs and gunfire, and the Jewish hostel residents hid in various rooms.

When the police arrived, it was reported that they weren't shooting to disperse the crowd, but were actually aiming at the building.[citation needed] In the courtyard one immigrant was felled by a policeman's bullet at short-range, and others were stabbed and beaten with sticks. Five women fled a policeman firing his pistol; three escaped. A policeman cornered two women and tried to rape them, but they escaped.[citation needed] A fourteen-year old girl and some men managed to escape the building, but each was in turn chased down and beaten to death with iron rods or wooden boards.[1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots

 

Everywhere in the world we find that, after the development of farming, the majority of the population is descended from the original farmers - except where the nazis or the zionist racists drove them out. As everywhere else, the inhabitants of Biblical Palestine changed religion as was conventient. I don't understand either your question or your problem.

 

It is a conspiracy but it's no longer theory. The "people" behind it are the only ones protesting. For instance, the "jews" involvement in 9/11 is treated as fact by at least 50,000,000 decent, patriotic Americans. Learn the facts yourself: http://tinyurl.com/JewsAmericasWorstEnemies

 

You're off topic........

 

I have no disagreement with this so long as those Jews that migrated to Palestine (or Israel) acquired their land (property) under ligitimate circumstances. If the Israeli government violated the Rights of Property of any individual though and then sold that land to an immigrant then there isn't a valid claim of ownership by the individual as the property was wrongfully acquired. According the pro-Israeli supporters on PF approximately 18% of Israel was wrongfully siezed by the Israeli government because it belonged to property owners that were excluded from legally contesting the Israeli government siezure of their property.

The "zionists" disagree stating that because Jews inhabited Palestine over 2000 years ago that they have a Right of Property related to it today. All Property Rights related to the individual so I would accept a claim if individual property ownership for anyone that could establish a direct family connection to the ownership of property that was lost based upon documented coercion or force regardless of how long ago that happened. To my knowledge none of the Jews can establish that direct and documented connection to property ownership in Palestine going back 2000 years. If they could then I would support their Right of Property just like I've supported it for Jews that lost property in Europe prior to and during WW II.

There are several hundred thousand non-Jewish individuals that can establish that direct and documented connection to property in Palestine (Israel) going back the the 1940's and 1950's but they are being denied access to the Israeli courts or any courts to address the violation of their Property Rights.

Those that lawfully purchased land based upon the previous lawful acquisition of the property are not a problem. It is a problem if the Rights of Property of prior owners where violated by the Israeli government and then the government sold that property. Once again a valid claim of property cannot originate based upon theft.

As for "prior acceptance" in the Armistice of 1949 between Israel and Jordan it was established that the territories occupied by Israel did not belong to Israel. The Arab residents of the towns and villages were supposed to be allowed to return and the government of those towns and villages was to be under Arab control and the Israeli military was to withdraw from them. Israel, after voluntarily agreeing to this never complied with the conditions. 400,000 to 700,000 Arabs which had fled these towns and villages were denied the Right of Return and continue to be denied this Right of Return that Israel agreed to in writing.

Related to the occupation of land occupied in 1948-49 by Israel it is a violation of the Geneva Conventions for a nation that occupies a territory with it's military to allow it's civilians to immigrate to that territory. Any Jewish immigration into the territories outside of the original UNGA Resolution 181 partition, including immigration into W Jerusalem, was a violation of the Geneva conventions and illegal under international law.

In 1967 Israel occupied E Jerusalem where an Arab majority still exists to this day and the United Nations has declared that Israel is occuping this in violation of international law and the Geneva Conventions. The Jewish civilian immigration into the West Bank, Golan Heights and E Jerusalem were already established as being a violation of international law by UNSC Resolution 242 that was unanimously passed in 1967.

The "international community" obviously didn't accept the Declaration of Independence of Israel in 1948 or there wouldn't have been the Arab-Israeli War. It was only after that that many but not all nations recognized the State of Israel and those nations had political reasons for doing so even though the creation of Israel violated the Rights of the non-Jewish population.

 

Yeah ,ditto with emphasis on the 2000 year plus GAP ,as property right under Slave and primative agriculturally based societies as was 2000 years ago ,roman society was slave based so to present those Roman Empire claims to property in 1949 is a little rich .

Give back the land israel Zionist thieves of the Middle East.

And some people wonder why the Palestinian people are LEGITIMATELY Pisssed OFFFFF.

Righteous anger for the religiously inclined.

 

There you go AGAIN,no Not communists or socialists ,STALINISTS AND SOCIAL DEMOCRATS,the stalinists loved the formation of the UN ,they called it "Peacefull Co-existance with capitialism"

 

Ya total bull and (*)(*)(*)(*) North Korea Nazi Germany any empire that murdered its way into a good chunk of territory. Id say those enation are worse

Id says they just about tie with any nation that violently oppresses one or more groups of people in their territory.

 

and many gods or at least some of their followers are not averse to some big murdering well what you may call murdering killing any way so horrible violence and death is no reason to stop a place form being holy if you’re willing to include such acts as a part of holiness

 

the murders of the innocents is what i call all God nutters,murderous with blood of children from every pore ,and then they say how morally superior they think they are.

See" god" mentioned except in relation to the art of blasphemy and ridicule ,is apology for Murder ,and Rape of little children .oh and the height of hypocracy .

 

israel is the product of political agreement between the USA and Stalinism ,yes the frankenstein Abortion of the twin schools of mass murder, War ,and oppression of the working class.

that is the basis of the UN itself Stalinism and Imperialism.we called it the 'cold war".War against the International Working Class.

 

many of israel judea and samaria "arab" citizens are jews that were living in israel for long and force converted to islam. some ppl claim that and theres even some evidence its true.
like the Channukah lamps that many arabs in that area holds in their home.


use google search for more info.

 

See straight up with the Tribal descriptions again ,if you want a tribally based society,stop enjoying what science provides ,gobbly goog of the ROMAN PERIOD OF EMPIRE ,israel Judea and Samaria WHAT A LOAD OF A- HISTORIC CRAP,go to school you haven't learnt 2000years of history bit of a gap.

what is wrong with thinking past BC or whatevewr hebrew equivalent year ,we are not living in 500bc we live in 2012Ad or whatever hebrew evivalent get with the programme the ROMAN EMPIRE is long gone so stop trying to go back and grow up drop the dead language and calander and join humanity circa2012.

Phillistine!

 

judaism isnt only religion, its also ethnicy.
for example jews contribution to the world is very big.... many doesnt belive in god, it doesnt matter.
whats your prob with jews? o.o
i know history much better than you do.

 

that’s great but it’s still not the worst nation of all time.

 

No you don't.. Your history is dishonest.

 

I know that between 1921 and 1949 (plus the 67' and 73' wars) Arabs were killing Jews just because they were Jews

 

Nonsense!!!

 

This is a crock from begaining to end. If Israel wanted the Dome of the Rock they would have already taken it. According to the history of the area is has been the Arabs that have instigated the majority of the killing that has went on there. And if anyone should pay reparations it should be the Arabs paying it to Israel.

 

You rely way to heavily on Holocaust misuse and abuse to defend Israel. Can't you at least attempt to defend Isael without insulting Jews with such nonsense? This remark of yours is so incredibly stupid and ridiculous, that it can only fool gullible American Guilt Complex members.

 

You got that right, Margot. It's demonstrably false- a figment.

 

No, their ancestors were not Jews, they were Hebrews or Israelites, but not Jews.

The word Jews and Judaism were invented later.

Most Israelites joined the Israelite sect who called themselves Christians and later converted to Islam.

Only a small group of extremists who called themselves Zealots and their spiritual leaders, who called themselves Pharisees, did not accept Christianity, and this small minority was kicked out.

These people later invented Talmud and Judaism, spread their Religion around the globe, and converted the Khazars and Berbers to their religion.

And mostly the descendants of these non-semitic converts are today called Jews.