Who is accountable for today's Afganistan?

In 1978 the erstwhile Soviet Union had entered into politics in Afghanistan and following that the US too started an anti soviet campaign and even supported or used Osama Bind Laden. All these happenings ended up in the death of at least 1 million and 6 million refugees.
Today Afghanistan is a failed country, a hub for bombardments, fundamentalism and a hiding place for culprits.

There must be some facts behind what is happening there. What is in print even in Wikipedia is not totally authentic. I believe there are some persons who are knowledgeable of the facts or if not they may have a different perspective or understanding of what really happened there rather than conforming to what we hear from government sponsored news medias.

If we look at what is happening in Afghanistan which has been damaged by different interest groups and ravaged by the earthquake now and also at the ideology of Islamic State (IS) it seems our future is bleak and of course this is likely to pervade across the rest of so called peaceful countries.

 

Heroin traffickers . Mostly State sponsored by Iran, Pakistan , Russia and the USA. They are all in it for control of the product at the source, before any middleman mark up.

 

Money!

 

The Afghans are responsible for Afghanistan. Past present and future.

 

Hmm, I guess then that they are also 'responsible' for every attempt at invasion and occupation that they have had to endure over centuries? All of which, by the way, with one notable exception (Alexander the Great), failed.

 

I don't think so.. Poppies and opium have been a staple in Afghanistan since British India.

 

Oh how predictable.... The Afghanis, the Arabs, Iranians, Palestinians, Africans... They are never responsible for the sh*tty state of affairs in their countries.

The uber-leftists' bigotry of low expectation according to which they are imbeciles and morons who can't possibly be responsible for themselves is simply staggering.

 

Someone invades you over and over again in an attempt to overtake your country, and it's the Afghan's fault? Please explain how that works if you can. Blame the victim-especially if he happens to be a Muslim; isn't that right Borat?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...2559/Afghanistan-a-history-of-occupation.html

 

Not true Britain in 1878 was very successful and was immortalised by a quite famous painting of one of the Gordon Highlanders fighting Afghans and it wasn't done for opium as some might believe.
Strictly speaking Alexander pacified and not conquered Bactria and it was only under the reign of the Seleucid's that Bactria became marginally Hellenised.
Of course there was also Babur who founded the Mughal dynasty which I'm sure as an educated gentleman such as yourself you may already be familiar with the story.

The reason I said what I said was Afghanistan as a nation does not exist but rather exists as a country and as such the only way that Afghanistan will exist as a nation is if they can all draw together common values and common consent ergo they are responsible for themselves and this is why foreign intervention will not lead to successful nation building. Its down to them.

 

Multiple political entities over the years.....but Primarily ALLAH!

 

Every country on the planet has been constantly attacked, invaded, bombed throughout its history.... Countries like Germany or Japan or the UK or even Russia rebuild themselves after devastating wars and move on.

Countries like Afghanistan, having defeated the Russian invasion invariably end up with the likes of Taliban, Al-Qaeda and opium industry.

It's how countries perform in peaceful times, not in times of war what really matters and all these sh*tholes tend to become worse off, more barbaric, fanatical and backward then when they are under occupation.

 

The Afghan wars ultimately ended in humiliation for Britain.

 

Afghan was not a '(*)(*)(*)(*)hole' until we turned it into one. Same with Iraq, Vietnam and anywhere else invaded for no obvious reason.

 

On the contrary. It opened up the Khybar pass and reduced banditry effectively minimising Afghanistan as a problem for the Raj as well as help to check Russia.
The only humiliation that can be attributed is that of Lord Elphinstone's expedition.

 

Well, that medieval tribal barbaric constantly feuding countries like Afghanistan or tyrannies and dictatorships like Iraq under Saddam are not sh*tholes in your book speak volumes of the state of mind of a typical western ultra-leftist.

 

Why are you playing that cheap religion card? Many other countries in the world are predominantly muslim and do not share the Afghans' fate.

 

It's their country and their way of doing business. What concern is it of ours? You conveniently forget that Saddam was once best buddies with the West-when it was convenient, and I have a long list of unspeakable tyrants either installed by, or supported by the West. The Shah of Iran was one; Pol Pot was another. But I guess that's all acceptable if it is in the 'interests' of the US.

 

In essence it wasn’t Greek Buddhism? It was the other invasion that didn't fail.

 

You have never heard of the Opium Wars?

 

Yes I have. They didn't have anything to do with Afghanistan and there was no need either.

 

Yep, this pretty much sums it up and answers the OP's question. It's their country, their barbaric way of life and they are ultimately responsible for their situation, non one else. Glad to see you've finally come around to the sensible conclusion.

 

The West has been responsible ever since we used that nation as a military testing ground, along with Russia in the 80's. The entire Middle East chaos is due to Western occupation beginning in 1912 when British troops invaded and toppled the Caliphate in Istanbul.

 

Try 1858.. much earlier.

 

It all was started by Brezhnev. Now, a real help to Afghanistan can be provided by a joint effort of USA and Russia. I am not sure, if this can happen under current president Obama, but Donald Trump would be the best bet in this direction.

 

Big and powerful countries have roles, though you are to some extent right that their barbarism is responsible. But no country proves to be a civilized nation to Afghanistan a label of barbarism. Yes there were some political reasons inside their countries, their kings fighting for power, but later on starting from the early eighties and even till now for 33 years there are foreign forces and who have intensified the destruction. There are more than one truths and it still needs to prob into the matter more deeply though lots of opinions are up here which carry a lot of truth.