Who Is Behind The Alleged Attacks On Saudi Arabia?

Israel, since its invasion of Palestine, has involved itself in Eight {8} Wars. Now, name the last time Iran, started a war? Don't wait for the translation - the number is 200+ years. Iran, has not instigated, started or instantiated a war in over 200+ years. Who is the real troublemaker on the block in the Middle East, then?

Attacking "Jewish" People? Define, "Jew." What is a "Jew" historically, geographically, ethnically and genetically?

How can you be something, when you are not the very thing you claim yourself to be?

 

Israel never invadee Palestine.

Iran has been involved with Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Israel, and around the globe, including the USA funding terrorist. It is the largest state sponsor of terror.

Jewish people are people that follow the Jewish faith that are often the targets of leftist tyrants

 

Fracking is terrible for the environment. Unfortunately, nobody wants expensive gas either. We really need to get away from fossil fuels, but that will likely be a long difficult process.

 

Josh, most US wells produce less than 50 barrels of oil a day. Fracking can be done safely. The Saudis developed waterless fracking a few years back.

 

Most of the rockets hitting our FOBs were from Iran. The RKG-3 that killed a good friend of mine was from Iran. Iran was training Iraqi insurgents how to make EFP's that could penetrate the armor of our MRAP's, Bradleys, and Abrams. They were constantly smuggling arms across the border to the insurgents. Iran is an enemy to the US. The Israelis are not, as much as you would like us to believe otherwise.

 

Why doesn't the chart you used go beyond 2016 ?

 

Well if it can be done safely, they havn't been using those techniques here. We spent time studying it in a class I had last year. It was wrecking the water tables. People were getting sick as hell, and were literally able to light their drinking water on fire.

 

It is clear to me that Zionists will use anybody in US Government to do their bidding and to any degree possible. They are the poster children for the word "opportunist." Whether Bush Jr., Bush Sr., Obama or Lord Trump, it matters not to the Khazarian Zionist. That which they can accomplish under any sitting US President, they will accomplish - and they will shame you to no end if you fail to comply. And, if shaming you does not work for them, they will initiate a Reichstag of their own somewhere in the world that you care about and would be willing to fight to protect. They've been doing this for centuries around the world. The did it in Russia, Germany, Great Britain and other places in both western and eastern Europe.

They own your Money Supply, so ultimately, they are not too concerned about what you think or how you vote. They've been involved in your political institutions since the inception of the United States. And, they bankrolled both sides of the American Revolutionary War and the American Civil War.

So, do I believe they would use Lord Trump, to the fullest of their ability? Hell.....yes.

 

I also hear the zionist drink baby's blood and conduct human sacrifice! They use mind control on the radio waves! They are in league with Satan and the martians!!!

 

Trump took office in Jan 2017. Domestic production was ripping right along.

 

I sure wouldn't bet on Trump. He's a flake.

 

Really? What sort of class?

 

On private land not federal land where it plummeted under Obama.

 

There were thousands of available leases on Federal lands when Bush was president. Nobody wants to drill on federal land. Wise up to the propaganda.

 

U.S. sources confirmed that the attacks came from Iran.

 

I would have thought Israel, would have made your list given all the American Soldiers killed in the Middle East precisely for the expansion of Zionist territory. Why else would the United States be in the Middle East? We have absolutely zero interest in the Middle East. They are not our biggest trading partners. Oh, wait. I forgot. Sorry. We use their Oil.

Rely on Western Media reports that tell you neither Britain or the United States is heavily dependent on oil from the Persian Gulf? Yet, every single time something happens in a place like Saudi Arabia, oil prices in the "West" skyrocket. Hmmmmm. That's a clear disconnect from what your media tells you about geographical dependency and the import/export ratios of both Britain and the United States. If we did not rely on Middle Eastern Oil, then you would not be paying the higher prices at the pump that you pay right now. Else, they would have to claim that the cost of production is so much higher in the West than it is in the Persian Gulf. They would also have to claim that shipping oil from regions of the world that are geographically CLOSER to both Britain and the United States, actually has a higher cost than shipping from half way around the world from the Middle East. Neither underlying premise would make any sense.

Ergo, we obvious get more oil from Persian Gulf sources than "officials" have told you.

Which would be the equivalent of labeling Iran as suicidal. A character trait Iran, has not demonstrated in the past. When did Iran, go suicidal and what caused it to become that way?

Iran's government already knows that Trump, is on his way out in a few months. Why risk losing life and limb on a hyper short-term political ploy that you have absolutely zero control over. Does not add up.

You operate a Military Drone 7,000+ miles off your own cost and mere seconds from the cost of another country while violating their airspace. Yet, the expectation is that "its ok" and "that's an appropriate thing to do." What would happen if Iran, operated a Military Drone 7,000+ miles away from its own cost line and mere seconds off the coast of the Eastern Seaboard of the United States of America? Would that Iranian Military Drone survive the mission? There is no way in the world that such a drone would even make it to the ADIZ.

Would an Iranian official making the statement: "First, the United States shoots down one of our drones....." - be seen as rational or even coherent?

This false narrative that Iran, is somehow the provocateur in all this is not rational or coherent. There is no scenario here where Iran, is the country operating a Navy off the coast of the United States. Iran, is not sitting off the coast of California, or New York, flying Military Drones within mere seconds of US airspace. However, we are doing that very same thing over in the Persian Gulf. So, if there is any "baiting" going on here, it is WE who set the hook.

Based on what information exactly? What information are you in possession of other than Mainstream Media here in the US that tells you affirmatively, Iran was behind the attack? Anything other than the Reuters wire that keeps getting redistributed over and over again throughout most Western Media outlets with slightly different Headline Titles to make it look originally generated by that specific news outlet?

Really? Then are your prices at the pump rising as a direct result of oil that the USA is no longer dependent on in the Middle East? The statement and the facts just don't add up. If we were not dependent on Persian Gulf Oil, then our prices would reflect that fact. Yet, our prices are now rising at the pump BECAUSE of an attack on a Persian Gulf Oil facility. One statement cancels the other. You can't have it both ways. Either we are NOT dependent and our prices remain stable at the retail level. Or, we are dependent and our prices reflect that dependency at the retail level. Any other presupposition would be half baked and ill prepared to pas the test of critical analysis.

Point blank - I have not seen credible evidence that Iran, was behind the attack. When I come upon such evidence, I will accept it. Until then, its a hoax, because I know for a fact that we want regime change in Iran and would be willing to do nearly anything to accomplish it - exactly like Iraq and Afghanistan, where we had absolutely zero justification for invading.

Do your homework. Go READ Project T/P Ajax circa 1953/54 Iran. There you will understand the why behind what's going on right now in Iran. This is not new news. This is very Old Hat taking place right now.

 

It was called "Environment & Society". It was a course at the college I was attending. Basically what it sounds like, dealing with environmental issues, their impact on society, and society's impact on the environment. It was pretty enjoyable.

 

I can't help but think the attacks there are some sort of false flag against Iran, rather like accusing them of putting mines on oil tankers when the crew onboard the one hit reporting there were missiles inbound to their ship.

The US and Israel are masters at false flag attacks.

 

Sometimes there is this temptation to sit and watch the anti Trump conspiracy theorist duke it out as long as you keep in mind that none of them have a clue and the alternate universe they believe in exists on in their own minds.

 

First, I'm a Republican like you've never seen before and you've probably never studied in History before. I'm a throwback Republican, to a time when real Conservative Values were practiced and personal responsibility was the norm rather than the exception. I'm a throwback Republican, to a time when the majority of Black People living in the United States were Conservatives. That makes me a True Conservative and a Historical Conservative. Something most on PF would know absolutely zero about. But, that's another thread entirely. So, you can forget the obligatory Democrat labeling nonsense merely because I speak the Truth about History - a History that clearly most on PF don't know about and have not studied.

Second, there is no physical evidence that Iran attacked Saudi Arabia. The only "evidence" you have is the exact same kind of "evidence" you got from your mainstream media who told you that a Boeing 757-200 slammed into the rich soft soil of Shanksville, PA., where there was zero physical evidence that anything the size of a Boeing 757-200 had ever reached the ground in Shanksville. The Major of Shanksville, told you this and you ignored him:



"There was no airplane." "No airplane."

How many times does a Official Story Believer have to be told by the man who arrived BEFORE the Official Storytellers arrived that: "There was no airplane. No airplane." Dennis Roddy, Editor-In-Chief of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette:

"Airplane debris? Nothing I could identify as an airplane."

Nobody who unattached from the Official Storytellers AND who arrived on the scene at Shanksville, before the Official Storytellers got there to sanitize the place EVER said they saw an aircraft and most certainly not something on the size and scale of a Boeing 757-200 (an air frame that I am very familiar with personally).

Now, you show me a Boeing 757-200 at Shanksville, or at Arlington and I will eat my hat her on PF.

Then why are our prices at the pump going up and always go up each time somebody scratches there rear end out of turn somewhere in the Persian Gulf? We claim (in the media) that we only import 1,700+ barrels of oil per day from the middle east. We claim (in the media) that we export more than we import. We claim that Persian Gulf Oil only represents 8.5% of our total oil usage here in the United States. How the heck does 8.5% of total end up representing more than 50% of net/net price at the pump?

Just open your eyes. Somebody is lying to you. The question is, why eat it up so freely and so willingly? That's not Patriotism. That's not even respect for your country. In my eyes, it is disrespectful to your country to be so blinded by that which is so obviously untrue. If we were not dependent, then our prices would reflect that fact and remain stable no matter what kicked off in the middle east. Why? Because, they would not be our largest supplier.

So, somebody is not telling the truth here. I'm paying $3.50 to over $4.00 at the pump for Supreme Unleaded and that was BEFORE that Saudi Reichstag took place. Yet, we are not dependent? Come on.

More false presupposition. Again, Iran, is not operating an entire Navy Fleet off the coast of Texas. WE are doing that over in their back yard nearly 7,000 miles away from home where we should be defending our own boarders and coastlines. So, who is being provocative here? It is not Iran.

If I parked a street legal Armor International level 6 Hummer down the block from your front door and watched you come and go every single day of your life, that would intimidate you a great deal. It would be on your mind. It would cause you concern. It would cause you worry. It would cause you to fear. It would intimidate you to no end and you would feel my presence. THAT is what is feels like for Iran right now, to look out its window and see Two (2) Carriers, 20 Ships, 103 Strike Aircraft and nearly 20,000+ US military personnel. And, that's just what's directly in the Persian Gulf right now. We have a lot more in the entire region of the Middle East.

Utterly combative? Put down the coolaid and look at things from the perspective of what's real. WE are the ONLY entity (in this regard) being "combative" with Iran, right now.

You can't know what you don't know until you wise up and learn it by studying it.

 

So Iran will not benefit from higher crude oil prices?

 

Goodness. What do you think happens next when prices tank? Do prices go up or down for you at the pump? Failure to see the inverse of the premise is just plain ole failure. The oil business LOVES war. They adore it because they know what comes "next" is the very thing you miss with your post:



Its called a trend line. Maybe you missed it:

 

You in the oil business or spend any time in Arabia?

 

How could they? Remember, we are not "dependent" on Iranian oil. Can't have it both ways. Sorry.

Either we are dependent or we are not. If so, then Iran, benefits. If not, then Iran, does not benefit. Your choice, but I would suggest that you select wisely and stop ratcheting up tensions in Iran, merely to drum up support for yet another costly war where we lose more American Lives. I don't want to see that happen again.

 

We are all in the Oil Business, like it or not. We pull up to the same pumps here at home.

UAE on four (4) tours in the past. No interest in going back. Too hot. To dusty. To religiously encumbered.